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On 10/3/2013 11:02 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality. just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say. What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. how in the world do you come up with that nonsense? All I did was read you comments. Is the port fully compliant with USB standards. That call for a yes or no answer. -- PeterN |
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wrote: That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality. just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say. What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. how in the world do you come up with that nonsense? All I did was read you comments. but what you didn't do is understand what they mean. Is the port fully compliant with USB standards. That call for a yes or no answer. it is fully compliant with the usb spec. |
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On 10/3/2013 1:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality. just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say. What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. how in the world do you come up with that nonsense? All I did was read you comments. but what you didn't do is understand what they mean. Is the port fully compliant with USB standards. That call for a yes or no answer. it is fully compliant with the usb spec. Even though Apple says otherwise. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality. just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say. What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. how in the world do you come up with that nonsense? All I did was read you comments. but what you didn't do is understand what they mean. Is the port fully compliant with USB standards. That call for a yes or no answer. it is fully compliant with the usb spec. Even though Apple says otherwise. apple does not say otherwise. not only do you not understand my comments, but you don't understand much else. when will you actually 'eod' like you said you would? |
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On 10/3/2013 3:35 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality. just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say. What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. how in the world do you come up with that nonsense? All I did was read you comments. but what you didn't do is understand what they mean. Is the port fully compliant with USB standards. That call for a yes or no answer. it is fully compliant with the usb spec. Even though Apple says otherwise. apple does not say otherwise. not only do you not understand my comments, but you don't understand much else. when will you actually 'eod' like you said you would? Shifting the topic again? I was talking to those who might otherwise be misinformed by your bull****. You are one sick puppy. -- PeterN |
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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:02:25 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple haven't seen fit. no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so there's no point in bothering to support it. Has it occurred to you that it's not a 'comon use case' for the simple reason it can't be done with the iPad as it stands? has it occurred to you that the reason the ipad doesn't do it is *because* it's not a common use case? At the moment it's an impossible use case. That makes it extremely uncommon. mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid. Not for you, obviously, but PeterN sees some point in it. Who are you to say he's wrong? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:14:55 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 10/2/2013 10:44 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:32:52 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 10/2/2013 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote: In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said: In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Indeed, I considred using a iPad to transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple people told me it couldn't be done. it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does. not in the way you think. What way do I think? ...or should I ask, what way do you think I think? read what i said: it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. you then said with the cck, it can do that. that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive plugged into a laptop, both read and write. it cannot. the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and not a hard drive interface kit. I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or E900 via USB cable. My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera. One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power source, the iPad does not do that. Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking? what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise. as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing (assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder). the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more photos, not write images back to them. it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card, especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere. All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does with it is up to the software on each side. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to know. I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple haven't seen fit. That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. But USB functionality does not include software to support each or any of the zillions of different devices which may be plugged into the port. The provision of the software is up to the manufacturer of the hardware (in this case, Apple). What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. I'm sure you don't expect nospam to be consistent. :-) -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple haven't seen fit. no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so there's no point in bothering to support it. Has it occurred to you that it's not a 'comon use case' for the simple reason it can't be done with the iPad as it stands? has it occurred to you that the reason the ipad doesn't do it is *because* it's not a common use case? At the moment it's an impossible use case. That makes it extremely uncommon. it's not impossible, as hd support can be done via jailbreaking. however, even those who jailbreak don't even bother doing it. who wants to have hard drives hanging off their mobile devices? it makes the devices non-mobile. it's stupid. it's not worth the bother to support. there are far more important things to do than satisfy a couple of people who don't understand mobile devices. mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid. Not for you, obviously, but PeterN sees some point in it. Who are you to say he's wrong? this may come to you as a surprise, but apple did not design the ipad just for peter. they designed the ipad for common use cases. they did not design it for every possible use case under the sun, something which is incredibly stupid. that's a recipe for failure. what's also stupid is trying to use a device for something it was not intended and then ranting how it's a subpar device because of some niche use case is not fulfilled. there are better solutions for what he wants to do. nothing wrong with that. no device can do everything perfectly. like i said, if you want to move a piano you something designed to move large heavy objects, namely a truck and a couple of helpers too. what you *don't* do is try to figure out how to fit a piano into a car. a car was never designed to move pianos. maybe it can be done in some bizarre edge cases, but it's not going to be a pleasant experience. a car is the *wrong* solution. |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. But USB functionality does not include software to support each or any of the zillions of different devices which may be plugged into the port. The provision of the software is up to the manufacturer of the hardware (in this case, Apple). that is correct. not supporting a particular device does not mean it's not usb compliant. What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. I'm sure you don't expect nospam to be consistent. :-) i have always been consistent. peter is just too clueless to understand what i've been saying or what apple has been saying. he makes up things i never said and then says i'm bull****ting. crazy. |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and then it's not USB. it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality. just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say. What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port. how in the world do you come up with that nonsense? All I did was read you comments. but what you didn't do is understand what they mean. Is the port fully compliant with USB standards. That call for a yes or no answer. it is fully compliant with the usb spec. Even though Apple says otherwise. apple does not say otherwise. not only do you not understand my comments, but you don't understand much else. when will you actually 'eod' like you said you would? Shifting the topic again? i have never shifted the topic at all. you're the one who has no clue what is being discussed and won't admit it. your ignorance is what's fueling this. I was talking to those who might otherwise be misinformed by your bull****. the only bull**** is coming from you. so far, all you have done is link to a random post on an apple forum, mistakenly believing it is an official apple statement and trying to claim it is the gospel truth. *that* is bull****. what i've said is the same as what apple has said all along. i'm still waiting for you to fulfill your eod promise. further evidence that you're nothing more than blowing smoke. You are one sick puppy. really? i'm not the one who fabricates what i say then uses that to claim i'm bull****ting. that's psychotic. |
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