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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
On 2011-10-26 13:36:31 +0100, Martin Brown said:
On 26/10/2011 13:13, dadiOH wrote: thanatoid wrote: As some of you may know, I hate cell phones and smart phones, and Steve Jobs, digital cameras, and everything else in this stinking world. Something I did NOT hate was the original Polaroid SX-70. The camera was a work of GENIUS, and EVERY photo it took was a masterpiece - I have never seen anything like it - you could give it to blind person and the photos s/he took would be as great as anything else. This was due to the film it used - presumably, an adaptation of Polaroid's pro large-format products. But, of course, Polaroid decided we did not deserve to have such beauty in our lives, and changed the film, ostensibly to increase the ASA. Well, that it did, giving us more grain (OK, that's basic), but also totally destroying the "softness" and the incredibly beautiful colors the original film stock had. Well, I have just seen something amazing - it may not be new to many of you, but it is new to me. There is a little app for the STUPID iPHONE which produces basically what the original SX-70 did. I am BLOWN AWAY. Random example:: http://phoofy.tumblr.com and info: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://e...g/wiki/Instagr am I did not read that until just now, but it actually SAYS: "Instagram, in an homage to both the Kodak Instamatic and Polaroid cameras, confines photos into a square shape. This is in contrast to the 3:2 aspect ratio normally used by the iOS device cameras." It even has an option to add a border similar to the one the Polaroid prints had! What do you think? I think Polaroid was handy to check light levels and direction. Nothing else. It was very handy to ensure that if push came to shove you actually had a photographic record of some unrepeatable event. You could even get instant monochrome negative stock emulsion for the older cameras and the resulting large negs were potentially quite serviceable in extremis. It was a bit tetchy about being kept at the right temperature for development in the field. I think the original Polaroid system was more like 5x4 aspect ratio but my memory could be playing tricks here. Heck, I made extensive use of B&W Polaroids to record the screens of oscilloscopes, other instrument CRT displays, and laboratory experiments. In those days work was great fun :-) I suppose getting paid to produce those pictures qualifies me as a professional photographer, ha ha. [...] |
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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
Pete A wrote:
On 2011-10-26 13:36:31 +0100, Martin Brown said: On 26/10/2011 13:13, dadiOH wrote: thanatoid wrote: As some of you may know, I hate cell phones and smart phones, and Steve Jobs, digital cameras, and everything else in this stinking world. Something I did NOT hate was the original Polaroid SX-70. The camera was a work of GENIUS, and EVERY photo it took was a masterpiece - I have never seen anything like it - you could give it to blind person and the photos s/he took would be as great as anything else. This was due to the film it used - presumably, an adaptation of Polaroid's pro large-format products. But, of course, Polaroid decided we did not deserve to have such beauty in our lives, and changed the film, ostensibly to increase the ASA. Well, that it did, giving us more grain (OK, that's basic), but also totally destroying the "softness" and the incredibly beautiful colors the original film stock had. Well, I have just seen something amazing - it may not be new to many of you, but it is new to me. There is a little app for the STUPID iPHONE which produces basically what the original SX-70 did. I am BLOWN AWAY. Random example:: http://phoofy.tumblr.com and info: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://e...g/wiki/Instagr am I did not read that until just now, but it actually SAYS: "Instagram, in an homage to both the Kodak Instamatic and Polaroid cameras, confines photos into a square shape. This is in contrast to the 3:2 aspect ratio normally used by the iOS device cameras." It even has an option to add a border similar to the one the Polaroid prints had! What do you think? I think Polaroid was handy to check light levels and direction. Nothing else. It was very handy to ensure that if push came to shove you actually had a photographic record of some unrepeatable event. You could even get instant monochrome negative stock emulsion for the older cameras and the resulting large negs were potentially quite serviceable in extremis. It was a bit tetchy about being kept at the right temperature for development in the field. I think the original Polaroid system was more like 5x4 aspect ratio but my memory could be playing tricks here. Heck, I made extensive use of B&W Polaroids to record the screens of oscilloscopes, other instrument CRT displays, and laboratory experiments. In those days work was great fun :-) I suppose getting paid to produce those pictures qualifies me as a professional photographer, ha ha. [...] Polaroids were popular with the insurance industry (adjustors) and people recording illegal activities (their own). nods -- http://www.privacySOS.org | www.extinctioncrisis.org www.snuhwolf.9f.com|www.savewolves.org _____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____ / __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\ _\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\ /___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\ |
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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
On 2011-10-26 20:31:13 +0100, §ñühwö£f said:
Pete A wrote: [...] Heck, I made extensive use of B&W Polaroids to record the screens of oscilloscopes, other instrument CRT displays, and laboratory experiments. In those days work was great fun :-) I suppose getting paid to produce those pictures qualifies me as a professional photographer, ha ha. Polaroids were popular with the insurance industry (adjustors) and people recording illegal activities (their own). I'd forgotten about the former and was too engrossed in my work to attempt the latter. They say it's never too late, but whoever "they" are were wrong. |
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§ñühwö£f wrote:
Polaroids were popular with the insurance industry (adjustors) Back in the late 1980's we had a polaroid camera in our "Goods in" area, so that when a van opened up and the rear was a shambles, or the packaging on an item was beaten to hell, we had evidence. In the (common...) case where the shipment was urgent, this allowed us to "conditionally accept" the item, but retain evidence about the shipping damage. BugBear |
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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
bugbear wrote:
§ñühwö£f wrote: Polaroids were popular with the insurance industry (adjustors) Back in the late 1980's we had a polaroid camera in our "Goods in" area, so that when a van opened up and the rear was a shambles, or the packaging on an item was beaten to hell, we had evidence. In the (common...) case where the shipment was urgent, this allowed us to "conditionally accept" the item, but retain evidence about the shipping damage. BugBear yep...the "instant" polaroid was your "eye witness" back in the day. -- http://www.skepticalscience.com/ www.friendsofanimals.org |www.snuhwolf.9f.com| _____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____ / __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\ _\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\ /___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\ |
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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
bugbear wrote in
: §ñühwö£f wrote: Polaroids were popular with the insurance industry (adjustors) Back in the late 1980's we had a polaroid camera in our "Goods in" area, so that when a van opened up and the rear was a shambles, or the packaging on an item was beaten to hell, we had evidence. In the (common...) case where the shipment was urgent, this allowed us to "conditionally accept" the item, but retain evidence about the shipping damage. BugBear FWIW, I should mention that I consider almost all Polaroid consumer products useful ONLY due to their instant/private aspects. OTOH, the SX-70 was a brilliant development and a tool embraced not only by insurance adjusters, but by many artists. It does not seem many people in these photography groups have much of a concept of art. -- "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it." Bill Gates to Steve Jobs, around 1983 |
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thanatoid wrote in
: bugbear wrote in : §ñühwö£f wrote: Polaroids were popular with the insurance industry (adjustors) Back in the late 1980's we had a polaroid camera in our "Goods in" area, so that when a van opened up and the rear was a shambles, or the packaging on an item was beaten to hell, we had evidence. In the (common...) case where the shipment was urgent, this allowed us to "conditionally accept" the item, but retain evidence about the shipping damage. BugBear FWIW, I should mention that I consider almost all Polaroid consumer products useful ONLY due to their instant/private aspects. OTOH, the SX-70 was a brilliant development and a tool embraced not only by insurance adjusters, but by many artists. It does not seem many people in these photography groups have much of a concept of art. ok bub...I have both an art degree and experience with polaroid instamatics of various size shape & model, unless you had some s00per sekrit only available to you film stock to play with and a one-off prototype camera...yer blowing smoke out yer arse. polaroid film was temp sensitive and you could ruin a piccy by leaving it in the sun. digital is WAY better than any polaroid. -- http://www.skepticalscience.com/ http://stopbeck.com|www.snuhwolf.9f.com|www.eyeonpalin.org _____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____ / __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\ _\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\ /___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\ |
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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
"§ñühwö£f" wrote in
: ok bub...I have both an art degree So do I, bub - two of them. and experience with polaroid instamatics of various size shape & model sizes, shapes, and models, so unless you had some s00per sekrit only available to you film stock to play with and a one-off prototype camera...yer blowing smoke out yer arse. No, but I have seen what real photographers can do with it. (Although the SX-70 created a minor masterpiece no matter WHO clicked the shutter, that's why I call it a magical camera.) polaroid film was temp sensitive and you could ruin a piccy Piccy? No, I am not picky, nor totally in pieces yet. I will post with anyone. Or did you mean to type "picture" ? by leaving it in the sun. Oh, did you habitually do that? Pity. Read the instructions next time. I put them in a paper envelope and in my pocket or in the shade. Of course, if you liked abstract art, applying various "physical treatments" to the film while it was developing produced some great effects. Look up Lucas Samaras, Mr. "I have an art degree". http://www.google.com/search?q=lucas+samaras+polaroid digital is WAY better than any polaroid. (And, of course, MS Word is also MUCH better than an ink pen, paper and glue, which was what "In Search of Lost Time" was written with, all million and a half words of it? Sigh.) I am not going to get into THAT whole discussion, and I am not saying there is anything /really/ wrong with digital, I just hate all the stupid buttons. I wonder what people who could not program the clock on their VCR's do? (MY clock always showed the correct time, BTW.) Obviously you have never been anywhere near a professional large-format Polaroid camera, and obviously your art degree (what discipline is it in exactly, pray tell) did not make you sensitive enough to delicate beauty of real art. That's something you are born with or have to cultivate for longer than it takes to get a degree, let alone at an average USA institution of higher partying and hazing. Or maybe you have never seen the ORIGINAL SX-70 photographs. They changed that film stock PRETTY DARN FAST, the *******s. Here's another link to educate you a little. READ it. http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/6385 BTW, why are you posting from a German server now? -- "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it." Bill Gates to Steve Jobs, around 1983 |
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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
thanatoid wrote:
OTOH, the SX-70 was a brilliant development and a tool embraced not only by insurance adjusters, but by many artists. It does not seem many people in these photography groups have much of a concept of art. troll! BugBear |
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The first good thing to happen to the world of images in years.
bugbear wrote in
: thanatoid wrote: OTOH, the SX-70 was a brilliant development and a tool embraced not only by insurance adjusters, but by many artists. It does not seem many people in these photography groups have much of a concept of art. troll! BugBear People like you are SO depressing. Why don't you just go and kill yourself and be done with it. Before you do, visit: http://www.pixelsaway.com/polaroid/ -- "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it." Bill Gates to Steve Jobs, around 1983 |
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