What happened to Rec.photo.newsgroups???

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


James Kropp

On 20 Aug 2004 12:53:30 GMT, (James E Kropp) wrote:

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


James Kropp

I've been away from these groups for a while - and I was very
disappointed by what I found when I returned. I agree they are being
ruined but I don't think there is much we can do about it, sadly.
Telling the spammers to **** off will no doubt only provoke more
rubbish. It's all crossposted drivel from flaming groups anyway and
the general idea is to be insulting and abusive so insulting and
abusing them is unlikely to make them go away!

On 20 Aug 2004 12:53:30 GMT, (James E Kropp) wrote:

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


James Kropp

Once you killfile the troll(s) and cross-posters, you will find there
is still plenty of good on-topic posts.



Colyn Goodson

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On 20 Aug 2004 12:53:30 GMT, (James E Kropp) wrote:

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


James Kropp

Once you killfile the troll(s) and cross-posters, you will find there
is still plenty of good on-topic posts.



Colyn Goodson

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http://www.colyngoodson.com

ColynG writes:

On 20 Aug 2004 12:53:30 GMT, (James E Kropp) wrote:

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even
sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


James
Kropp

Once you killfile the troll(s) and cross-posters, you will find there
is still plenty of good on-topic posts.


Yes. and it sure cuts down the list. My NG list ran 432 posts for rec.photo.dig
this time. I actually have about 34 posts. The rest is trash.

Charlie Self
"Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen." Ambrose Bierce, The
Devil's Dictionary

ColynG writes:

On 20 Aug 2004 12:53:30 GMT, (James E Kropp) wrote:

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even
sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


James
Kropp

Once you killfile the troll(s) and cross-posters, you will find there
is still plenty of good on-topic posts.


Yes. and it sure cuts down the list. My NG list ran 432 posts for rec.photo.dig
this time. I actually have about 34 posts. The rest is trash.

Charlie Self
"Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen." Ambrose Bierce, The
Devil's Dictionary

"James E Kropp" wrote in message
...
Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even
sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of
all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


There are two groups of people currently ruining rec.photo.digital:

1) Trolls/spammers who post nonsense to deliberately disrupt the group.
2) Anal retentives who go on and on and on about using "killfiles"

I don't know which group is more annoying, but I'm leaning toward the
killfile crowd, most of whom want to blame and insult the victims of group
1. Sadly, the killfilers don't seem to understand the phrase, "it ain't
gonna happen", as evidenced by their seemingly endless, mindless, and
ineffectual parroting of "Use a killfile, stupid! AWK!" each time someone
complains about the trolls. I think it was Einstein who described insanity
as doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result each
time.

People who might like to participate in the photo groups don't necessarily
want to learn about newsreaders which support killfiles nor do they want to
spend a single second creating a killfile--they want to plug in their
Windows boxes, fire up Outlook Express, and do something interesting or fun
online. There's nothing wrong with that, in the least: These folks are
not lazy OR stupid, just different. To many of them, computers are tools
letting them pursue their own interests which likely don't include
computers, per se. Many of these people are knowledgeable about photography
but when they are annoyed by the trolls, then insulted and mocked by the
killfilers, they just simply go away, taking their potential contributions
to the photo groups with them.

All the killfilers are doing is encouraging a Darwinian selection process
which, if successful, will result in photo newsgroups in which the
participants know all about killfiles. Of course, that doesn't mean people
in the selected population will that much about photography, though--just
killfiles.

Truth is, usenet needs a technical overhaul to bring it into the modern age.
The system wasn't designed to prevent deliberate abuse because in the early
days of the internet and usenet there was no need to protect against abuse.
Not so today, obviously.

"James E Kropp" wrote in message
...
Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and flushed
itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I mean all of the
newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative, PHOTOGRAPHIC information.
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even
sometimes
contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems, all is lost because of
all
this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how to do this???


There are two groups of people currently ruining rec.photo.digital:

1) Trolls/spammers who post nonsense to deliberately disrupt the group.
2) Anal retentives who go on and on and on about using "killfiles"

I don't know which group is more annoying, but I'm leaning toward the
killfile crowd, most of whom want to blame and insult the victims of group
1. Sadly, the killfilers don't seem to understand the phrase, "it ain't
gonna happen", as evidenced by their seemingly endless, mindless, and
ineffectual parroting of "Use a killfile, stupid! AWK!" each time someone
complains about the trolls. I think it was Einstein who described insanity
as doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result each
time.

People who might like to participate in the photo groups don't necessarily
want to learn about newsreaders which support killfiles nor do they want to
spend a single second creating a killfile--they want to plug in their
Windows boxes, fire up Outlook Express, and do something interesting or fun
online. There's nothing wrong with that, in the least: These folks are
not lazy OR stupid, just different. To many of them, computers are tools
letting them pursue their own interests which likely don't include
computers, per se. Many of these people are knowledgeable about photography
but when they are annoyed by the trolls, then insulted and mocked by the
killfilers, they just simply go away, taking their potential contributions
to the photo groups with them.

All the killfilers are doing is encouraging a Darwinian selection process
which, if successful, will result in photo newsgroups in which the
participants know all about killfiles. Of course, that doesn't mean people
in the selected population will that much about photography, though--just
killfiles.

Truth is, usenet needs a technical overhaul to bring it into the modern age.
The system wasn't designed to prevent deliberate abuse because in the early
days of the internet and usenet there was no need to protect against abuse.
Not so today, obviously.

"Charlie Self" wrote

ColynG writes:

(James E Kropp) wrote:

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and
flushed itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I
mean all of the newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative,
PHOTOGRAPHIC information
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even
sometimes contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems,
all is lost because of all this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how
to do this???

Once you killfile the troll(s) and cross-posters, you will find there
is still plenty of good on-topic posts.

Yes. and it sure cuts down the list. My NG list ran 432 posts for
rec.photo.dig this time. I actually have about 34 posts. The rest is
trash.

*Oh* *my* so few needles in the haystack

sure you're not missing out on something Charlie?

--
He's right Mark. We don't like it. Stop the yapping and learn to use
your killfile. Then we can all have a *jolly good* *knee slappin* great
time! ))) Have fun watching Sesame Street and R0mper R00m!
- Organizer

"Charlie Self" wrote

ColynG writes:

(James E Kropp) wrote:

Is it me, or has the rec.photo newsgroup gone to the toilet and
flushed itself! There used to be a time where this place, (and I
mean all of the newsgroups in rec.photo,) had informative,
PHOTOGRAPHIC information
I used to spend a lot of time browsing and learning, and yes, even
sometimes contributing, to these newsgroups. Now it seems,
all is lost because of all this rambling and dribble and porn crap!

Cant people just stick to the subject? Any thoughts on how
to do this???

Once you killfile the troll(s) and cross-posters, you will find there
is still plenty of good on-topic posts.

Yes. and it sure cuts down the list. My NG list ran 432 posts for
rec.photo.dig this time. I actually have about 34 posts. The rest is
trash.

*Oh* *my* so few needles in the haystack

sure you're not missing out on something Charlie?

--
He's right Mark. We don't like it. Stop the yapping and learn to use
your killfile. Then we can all have a *jolly good* *knee slappin* great
time! ))) Have fun watching Sesame Street and R0mper R00m!
- Organizer