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rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
better health care,
Not in England.
Liar. England's citizens live longer than America's.
Their HEALTH CARE is NOT better, period.
Not interested in your cult's dogma, rightard.
Or the facts either, eh scumbag?

http://www.medindia.net/news/Dental-...re-35676-1.htm
The rightard moron doesn't know the difference between "health
care" and "dental care".
The libitard refuses to concede that dental care is PART of the British NHS:

Of course it is, dumb****.

Oh I just LOVE it when you have to toss the tranny into reverse!

Another rightard resorts to outright lying,

And still UK health care is better than US
health care,

Did you READ the article?

Did YOU, moron?

Once again, dumb****: Dental care is only a small part of health care,
and according to the actual results, UK health care is better than US
health care.

--
Ray Fischer

In message , Ray Fischer
writes
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
better health care,
Not in England.
Liar. England's citizens live longer than America's.
Their HEALTH CARE is NOT better, period.
Not interested in your cult's dogma, rightard.
Or the facts either, eh scumbag?

http://www.medindia.net/news/Dental-...K-a-Nightmare-
35676-1.htm
The rightard moron doesn't know the difference between "health
care" and "dental care".
The libitard refuses to concede that dental care is PART of the
British NHS:

Of course it is, dumb****.

Oh I just LOVE it when you have to toss the tranny into reverse!

Another rightard resorts to outright lying,

And still UK health care is better than US
health care,

Did you READ the article?

Did YOU, moron?

Once again, dumb****: Dental care is only a small part of health care,
and according to the actual results, UK health care is better than US
health care.

According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually
spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than
the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not
just 80% as per the USA.

However as there are no insurance companies involved the costs are far
lower. IE in the US the hospitals & doctors charge more as the insurance
companies are paying for it. This is how they make a profit. As with
any commercial company the hospitals are there to make a profit.

In the UK the NHS does not need to make a profit in the same was a
commercial company does. Therefore the charges are "net" costs and no
profit margin. I.E. far lower than in the US

Also some people like private medical care (a private room etc rather
than a ward) and other facilities so they pay BUPA and the like for
private care. SO they are free to do that.




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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:45:18 +0000, Chris H
wrote:

According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually
spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than
the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not
just 80% as per the USA.

Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by
some sort of health care program. It may be a private insurance
program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. There
is a wide difference between being covered by a private insurance
program and relying on free government care, but the point is that
100% of the people are covered. Few Americans will argue that we our
health care system is adequate, but anyone with any knowledge of the
system will refute your 80% claim.

This is where you lose your credibility, and where these other sources
you rely on lose their credibility. You make unfounded and incorrect
statements, and - because of this - when you do say something right,
people don't believe you.

However as there are no insurance companies involved the costs are far
lower. IE in the US the hospitals & doctors charge more as the insurance
companies are paying for it. This is how they make a profit. As with
any commercial company the hospitals are there to make a profit.

Most US hospitals are non-profit. That doesn't mean that their
revenue is set to equal their costs, but it means that excess revenue
is not paid out to shareholders. The excess revenue is put back into
the hospital in the form of expansion and improvements. Since
non-profits are not taxed as for-profit hospitals are, more of the
revenue is reinvested.

I don't know the structure of the NHS hospitals, but I suspect they
operate much the same as US non-profits in that revenues exceed
expenses and excess revenue is put back into the hospitals in the form
of expansion and improvements. A major difference would be that the
US non-profits are separate entities rather than part of a national
program. In the US, the non-profit generates excess revenue that is
spent by that hospital on that hospital.

Despite the fact that you have been corrected over and over again on
these mistaken beliefs you have about the US, you continue to expound
on subjects you know nothing about. Do you think that you will ever
learn that these sources you have are unreliable fact-wise?

In the UK the NHS does not need to make a profit in the same was a
commercial company does. Therefore the charges are "net" costs and no
profit margin. I.E. far lower than in the US

All hospitals - in this country and yours - must continue to upgrade
their facilities and equipment. The money has to come from somewhere.
If the hospitals do not set the revenue basis to exceed costs, then
the government must supply the funds for the hospital to keep up. One
way or the other, the citizens foot the bill.



--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
rendition wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
better health care,
Not in England.
Liar. England's citizens live longer than America's.
Their HEALTH CARE is NOT better, period.
Not interested in your cult's dogma, rightard.
Or the facts either, eh scumbag?

http://www.medindia.net/news/Dental-...re-35676-1.htm
The rightard moron doesn't know the difference between "health
care" and "dental care".
The libitard refuses to concede that dental care is PART of the British NHS:
Of course it is, dumb****.
Oh I just LOVE it when you have to toss the tranny into reverse!

Another rightard resorts to outright lying,

You do so love to be humiliated, don;t yopu?


And still UK health care is better than US
health care,
Did you READ the article?

Did YOU, moron?

Once again, dumb****: Dental care is only a small part of health care,
and according to the actual results, UK health care is better than US
health care.

Once more, YOU are lying:


"Tory health spokesman Andrew Lansley said: "We know that there are
people out there who are pulling out their own teeth because they can't
find a NHS dentist."

Last year, a survey found that one in 20 patients had resorted to DIY
treatment, in some cases pulling out their own teeth.

One patient in Lancashire claimed to have removed 14 teeth using pliers.

Overall, the survey found that almost half of NHS dentists were not
accepting any more patients.

Earlier this month Elizabeth Green, 76, from Winchester, Hampshire, told
how she was turned away by 12 dentists.

As a result the grandmother, who was in agony with two front teeth,
pulled them out herself."



http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...ocialized.html

Great Britain's National Health Service (NHS) was created on July 5,
1948. As with all government programs, bureaucrats underestimated
initial cost projections. First-year operating costs of NHS were 52
million pounds higher than original estimates1 as Britons saturated the
so-called free system.
Many decades of shortages, misery and suffering followed until 1989,
when some market-based health care competition was reintroduced to the
British citizens2.

Unfortunately for those requiring care, a mostly socialist health care
system has problems. The articles and commentaries in this section
identify some disasters caused by government intervention in the British
health care system.

I also recommend reading David G. Green and Laura Casper's economic
report, Delay, Denial and Dilution: The Impact of NHS Rationing on Heart
Disease and Cancer to see the inevitable outcome of the necessary
rationing of government health care.


Straight from the newspapers

Labour's secret plan to send overweight children to NHS fat camps
- Laura Donnelly, September 6, 2009 [Telegraph UK]

Burnham Forgets 230,000 on List
- Macer Hall, August 14, 2009 [Daily Express (UK)]

£1.2bn bill for the bureaucrat army within the NHS
- Jenny Hope, August 13, 2009 [Daily Mail (UK)]

Couples Face an IVF Postcode Lottery
- Katherine Fenech, August 6, 2009 [Daily Express (UK)]

Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE
- April 29, 2009 [Daily Mail (UK)]

Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage
- David Rose, April 23, 2009 [Times Online]

Number of children going to hospital to have teeth pulled soars by 66%
since 1997
- Daniel Martin and Cher Thornhill, April 12, 2009 [Daily Mail (UK)]

NHS 'failings' over elderly falls
- March 25, 2009 [BBC]

Learning disabled 'failed by NHS'
- Nick Triggle, March 24, 2009 [BBC]

Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait
- Lyndsay Moss, March 21, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Culture of targets prevents nurses from tending to patients
- Claire Rayner, President of the Patients Association, March 21, 2009
[Telegraph UK]

Children being failed by health system, says head of watchdog
- Sarah Boseley, March 21, 2009 [Guardian Unlimited]

Our cancer shame: Survival rates still lag behind EU despite spending
billions
- Jenny Hope, March 20, 2009 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Failing hospital 'caused deaths'
- March 17, 2009 [BBC]

Health gap drive 'wasted money'
- Nick Triggle, March 14, 2009 [BBC]

Longer GP opening hours branded wasteful 'PR exercise' by doctors
- Lyndsay Moss, March 13, 2009 [The Scotsman]

"Political meddling" threatens general practice, warns GP leader
- March 13, 2009 [Management in Practice (UK)]

Children at risk through lack of training for doctors and nurses, report
warns
- Rebecca Smith, March 13, 2009 [Telegraph UK]

Chocolate should be taxed to control obesity epidemic, doctors are told
- Simon Johnson, March 13, 2009 [Telegraph UK]

1,000 villagers wait for a dentist after just one NHS practice opens
- March 10, 2009 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Study that proves the folly of NHS Alzheimer's drug ban
- Jenny Hope, March 7, 2009 [Daily Mail(UK)]

NHS charges to rise in England
- March 5, 2009 [BBC]

Disabled children wait up to two years for wheelchairs
- March 4, 2009 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS under fire over waiting times
- February 25, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Government procrastination blamed for HIV-contaminated blood tragedy
- February 23, 2009 [Guardian Unlimited]

Specialist nurses 'vastly overworked'
- February 20, 2009 [Harwich & Manningtree Standard]

Hundreds of operations cancelled at Lothian hospitals
- Adam Morris, February 19, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Stop asking for antibiotics to cure coughs and colds, Government tells
patients
- Daniel Martin, February 17, 2009 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Stroke services are 'UK's worst'
- February 17, 2009 [BBC]

Hospitals curb caesarean births
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, February 15, 2009 [The Times]

Only five out of 51 hospital trusts pass hygiene test, say inspectors
- Sarah Boseley, November 24, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

Top doctors slam NHS drug rationing
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, August 24, 2008 [The Times]

Heart patients dying due to poor hospital care, says report
- Sarah Boseley, June 8, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS dentistry loses almost a million patients after new dentists' contract
- David Rose, June 6, 2008 [The Times]

Private healthcare managers could be sent to turn round failing NHS
hospitals
- Philip Webster, Political Editor, and David Rose, June 4, 2008 [The
Times]

Cancer patients ‘betrayed’ by NHS
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 1, 2008 [The Times]

NHS scandal: dying cancer victim was forced to pay
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 1, 2008 [The Times]

Pensioner, 76, forced to pull out own teeth after 12 NHS dentists refuse
to treat her
- Olinka Koster, March 26, 2008 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Dental patients face care lottery
- March 26, 2008 [Metro(UK)]

Lung patients 'condemned to death as NHS withdraws their too expensive
drugs'
- Jenny Hope, March 24, 2008 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Women in labour turned away by maternity units
- John Carvel, March 21, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

Health inequality has got worse under Labour, says government report
- Andrew Sparrow, March 13, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

Angry GPs reluctantly accept plan for weekend and evening surgeries
- John Carvel, March 7, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS chiefs tell grandmother, 61, she's 'too old' for £5,000 life-saving
heart surgery
- Chris Brooke, February 28, 2008 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Patient 'removed' from waiting list to meet target
- January 31, 2008 [The Scotsman]

NHS patients told to treat themselves
- James Kirkup, January 4, 2008 [Telegraph UK]

NHS is 'failing patients' despite record funding
- Rebecca Smith, October 4, 2007 [Telegraph UK]

NHS rationing rife, say doctors
- September 24, 2007 [BBC]

One in eight patients waiting over a year for treatment, admits minister
- John Carvel, June 8, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]

Audit Office asked to investigate record £500m NHS underspend
- John Carvel, May 30, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]

The drugs the NHS won't give you
- May 11, 2007 [Telegraph UK]

UK lagging behind on cancer drug access, study finds
- May 10, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]

One in six trusts is still putting patients on mixed-sex wards
- Daniel Martin, May 10, 2007 [Daily Mail(UK)]

Specialist stroke care 'lottery'
- May 9, 2007 [BBC News]

Smokers and the obese banned from UK hospitals
- May 2, 2007 [Healthcare News]

Cancer patients told life-prolonging treatment is too expensive for NHS
- Lyndsay Moss, February 13, 2007 [The Scotsman]

UK health service "harms 10 percent of patients"
- Kate Kelland, July 7, 2006 [Reuters]

5,000 elderly 'killed each year' by lack of care beds
- June 26, 2006 [Telegraph UK]

Dental Socialism in Britain
- Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., May 9, 2006 [LewRockwell.com]

Pay for nurses and surgeons doubles NHS overspend
- Beezy Marsh, Patrick Hennessy and Nina Goswami, April 23, 2006
[Telegraph UK]

The money addicts: it's your cash they are gambling with
- Patience Wheatcroft, April 23, 2006 [Telegraph UK]

NHS chiefs get luxury car deals
- Daniel Foggo and Steven Swinford, April 9, 2006 [The Times]

Secret NHS plan to ration patient care
- Nigel Hawkes, April 7, 2006 [The Times]

British Healthcare To Be Rationed
- April 7, 2006 [United Press International]

British body rejects EPO drugs for cancer patients
- March 17, 2006 [Reuters]

National Health Service - Grappling with Deficits
- March 9, 2006 [Economist.com]

Hundreds wait to register as another dentist quits the NHS
- Martin Williams, September 23, 2005 [The Herald (Scotland)]

Life-saving cancer drugs 'kept from NHS patients by red tape'
- Sam Lister, September 20, 2005 [The Times]

NHS slides into the red despite record increases in health care spending
- September 20, 2005 [Telegraph UK]

Alzheimer's sufferers hit by further delay in NHS approval for vital drugs
- Michael Day, September 18, 2005 [Telegraph UK]

We all pay a price for our 'free' NHS
- John Smith, August 19, 2005 [The Scotsman]

2,000 British doctors out of work
- August 14, 2005 [The Washington Times]

UK health 'unsustainable'
- August 14, 2005 [Finance24]

NHS faces rising bill for negligence claims
- Ben Hall, August 8, 2005 [Financial Times]

British boy to go to India for operation
- August 5, 2005 [United Press International]

NHS failed to stop doctor raping scores of women
- Lois Rogers and Jonathon Carr-Brown, July 31, 2005 [The Times]

Top crimewriter funds drugs for cancer victim refused by NHS
- Martyn Halle, July 8, 2005 [Telegraph UK]

Report says NHS is mired in huge debts
- David Simms, June 25, 2005 [ABC Money (UK)]

U.K. set to restrict smoking
- June 21, 2005 [The Associated Press]

NHS ‘fund bias’ against men may cost 2,500 lives a year
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 19, 2005 [The Times]

Doubts on funding NHS 'monuments'
- Nicholas Timmins, June 10, 2005 [Financial Times]

17 million reasons why we must improve hospital meals
- June 7, 2005 [Cambridge Evening News]

Figures show more patients waiting for operations
- June 3, 2005 [Guardian UK]

Scarcity of NHS dental treatment is revealed
- Celia Hall, May 19, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

Why NHS Opposes 'Treatment by Demand' for the Dying
- Stephen Howard and Jan Colley, PA, May 18, 2005 [Scotsman]

800 queue for NHS dentists
- May 5, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

Hundreds more heroin addicts to be given a fix on the NHS
- Nic Fleming, April 25, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

British health service facing nurse exodus
- April 25, 2005 [United Press International]

About 400 patients a year in Scotland succumb to MRSA
- April 25, 2005 [Scotsman]

NHS debts soar to over £1bn
- Karyn Miller, April 24, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

British taxpayers foot $26.5 million bill for abortion tourists
- April 18, 2005 [Catholic World News]

U.K. Liberal Democrats Would Raise Taxes to Pay for Health Care
- Reed Landberg, April 14, 2005 [Bloomberg]

Number of NHS Bureaucrats 'Rising Faster Than Health Staff'
- Joe Churcher, March 22, 2005 [Scotsman]

'£500m hole' in hospital budgets
- Celia Hall, March 21, 2005 [telegraph.co.uk]

1,000 Scots desert NHS every week
- Murdo Macleod, March 5, 2005 [Scotsman]

British NHS facing financial crisis
- March 3, 2005 [Washington Times]

NHS drugs regulator to withdraw approval of Alzheimer's treatment
- Nicholas Timmins, March 2, 2005 [FT.com - Financial Times]

NHS waiting list rises
- February 11, 2005 [Guardian UK]

Tumour patients hit by NHS shortages
- Jo Revill, February 6, 2005 [Guardian UK]

NHS financial crises set to outlast winter
- Mike Waites, February 4, 2005 [Yorkshire Post]

NHS 24 'priority' callers wait four hours for advice
- Caroline Wilson, January 14, 2005 [Evening Times (UK)]

'No strategy' on NHS waiting time
- January 14, 2005 [BBC]

Output figures show NHS decline
- John Carvel, October 19, 2004 [Guardian UK]

Heart patients die on waiting lists
- Peter Sharples, October 18, 2004 [Manchester Online]

£25bn overspend feared for NHS computer network
- Karen Attwood, October 12, 2004 [telegraph.co.uk]

Gaps in care cost £7bn, says charity
- John Carvel, October 4, 2004 [Guardian UK]

NHS excluding poor people, UK
- September 15, 2004 [Medical News Today]

Smokers 'should not get NHS care'
- September 6, 2004 [BBC News]

Waiting list row blights Brighton
- John Carvel, September 4, 2004 [Guardian UK]

Patients are denied the last rites under data protection law
- Elizabeth Day, July 25, 2004 [telegraph.co.uk]

Shortage of dentists to double by 2011
- John Carvel, July 24, 2004 [Guardian UK]

Britain's stiff upper lip gives way to a snarl
- Sarah Lyall, July 18, 2004 [The New York Times]

Hospital Overcrowding A Cause of Superbug Infections
- John von Radowitz, July 1, 2004 [Scotsman.com]

Hospital Crisis: Fallen Angels
- Lindsay Mcgarvie, May 23, 2004 [Glasgow Sunday Mail]

Study finds British hospitals are still austere, cold, smelly and poorly
maintained
- May 6, 2004 [News-Medical.net]

Hospital bathrooms and showers: a continuing saga of inadequacy
- Andy Monro, MRCP & Graham P Mulley, DM, FRCP, May 2004 [Journal of the
Royal Society of Medicine]

Majority back public smoking ban
- March 24, 2004 [BBC]

Discrimination Rampant In British Health Care
- Peter Moore, November 17, 2003 [365gay.com]

PERIPATETICS—To the Medical Socialists of All Parties
- Sheldon Richman, September 2003 [FEE.org]

Creeping Privatization?
Shortages of skilled workers, low morale, long queues for services,
crumbling facilities and corrupt practises. - Roland Watson, August 6,
2001 [LewRockwell.com]

The World's Worst HMO
- Stephen D. Moore, November 24, 1999 [Random Thoughts]

Socialized Medicine in Great Britain: Lessons for the Oregon Health Plan
- Professor John Spiers, March 18, 1999 [Cascade Policy Institute]

The Sickbed Which is Socialized British Medicine
- December 23, 1997 [NCPA]

The British Way of Withholding Care
- Harry Schwarz, March 1989 [FEE.org]

tony cooper wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:45:18 +0000, Chris H
wrote:

According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually
spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than
the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not
just 80% as per the USA.

Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by
some sort of health care program. It may be a private insurance
program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. There
is a wide difference between being covered by a private insurance
program and relying on free government care, but the point is that
100% of the people are covered. Few Americans will argue that we our
health care system is adequate, but anyone with any knowledge of the
system will refute your 80% claim.

http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/n...alth-insurance

You might argue this website is biased, but then what about official
sources who are charged with compiling those statistics?:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/hinsure.htm
"Persons under age 65
* Number uninsured at the time of interview: 43.6 million (2008)
* Percent uninsured at the time of interview: 17% (2008)"

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_10/sr10_243.pdf:
"Type of Health Insurance Coverage (Tables 18,19)
Among persons under age 65 years, 170 million (65%) had private health
insurance, 37 million (15%) had Medicaid, and 44 million (17%) were
uninsured."
[This is the latest official research study for 2009]

Any other questions?

This is where you lose your credibility, and where these other sources
you rely on lose their credibility. You make unfounded and incorrect
statements, and - because of this - when you do say something right,
people don't believe you.

Well, I my book 20% is a fair approximation of 17%.

jue

"tony cooper" wrote in message
...


Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by
some sort of health care program. It may be a private insurance
program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. There
is a wide difference between being covered by a private insurance
program and relying on free government care, but the point is that
100% of the people are covered. Few Americans will argue that we our
health care system is adequate, but anyone with any knowledge of the
system will refute your 80% claim.



Gotta disagree. Yes a lot of people in certain categories are covered, but I
know too many who have been forced into bankruptcy and/or lost their life
savings because of medical costs.

A high percentage of people on Medicare are forced to make a choice between
eating and taking their prescription meds. Yes there is a point at which
Medicare steps in, but that is not until life savings are lost, or spent
down.


--
Peter

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:41:11 -0800, Jürgen Exner
wrote:

tony cooper wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:45:18 +0000, Chris H
wrote:

According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually
spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than
the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not
just 80% as per the USA.

Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by
some sort of health care program. It may be a private insurance
program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. There
is a wide difference between being covered by a private insurance
program and relying on free government care, but the point is that
100% of the people are covered. Few Americans will argue that we our
health care system is adequate, but anyone with any knowledge of the
system will refute your 80% claim.

http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/n...alth-insurance

You might argue this website is biased, but then what about official
sources who are charged with compiling those statistics?:

I don't even need to open this site to answer. The names says enough.
It pertains to Americans who do not have health care *insurance*. An
American does not need to be covered by private insurance to obtain
health care. In fact, you don't need to be an American to obtain
health care in the US.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/hinsure.htm
"Persons under age 65
* Number uninsured at the time of interview: 43.6 million (2008)
* Percent uninsured at the time of interview: 17% (2008)"

Insured.


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_10/sr10_243.pdf:
"Type of Health Insurance Coverage (Tables 18,19)
Among persons under age 65 years, 170 million (65%) had private health
insurance, 37 million (15%) had Medicaid, and 44 million (17%) were
uninsured."
[This is the latest official research study for 2009]

Insurance.

Any other questions?

Yes. One. Where did Chris say anything about the percentage of
Americans covered by private insurance?

This is where you lose your credibility, and where these other sources
you rely on lose their credibility. You make unfounded and incorrect
statements, and - because of this - when you do say something right,
people don't believe you.

Well, I my book 20% is a fair approximation of 17%.

An uninsured person will be treated in any public hospital emergency
room. The law forbids the hospital from turning them away. An
uninsured person will be examined and treated in a public health
clinic. Free treatment for the uninsured is available for medical,
dental, and mental disorders. Various county, state, and federal
programs provide free prescription drugs.

Is it a good system? No. But, is health care available to all? Yes.







--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:52:57 -0500, "Peter"
wrote:

"tony cooper" wrote in message
.. .


Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by
some sort of health care program. It may be a private insurance
program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. There
is a wide difference between being covered by a private insurance
program and relying on free government care, but the point is that
100% of the people are covered. Few Americans will argue that we our
health care system is adequate, but anyone with any knowledge of the
system will refute your 80% claim.



Gotta disagree. Yes a lot of people in certain categories are covered, but I
know too many who have been forced into bankruptcy and/or lost their life
savings because of medical costs.

That's a whole different issue. Even a certain number of the 80% of
Americans who do have private insurance coverage can face this. Most
private insurance policies have some sort of limitation on the
coverage.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

tony cooper wrote:
An uninsured person will be treated in any public hospital emergency
room. The law forbids the hospital from turning them away. An
uninsured person will be examined and treated in a public health
clinic. Free treatment for the uninsured is available for medical,
dental, and mental disorders.

You mean they will get e.g. medication for high blood pressure or to
lower cholesterol, they will get mammograms, and annual physicals,
dental checkups and vision correction aids?

jue

In message , tony cooper
writes
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:52:57 -0500, "Peter"
wrote:

"tony cooper" wrote in message
. ..


Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by
some sort of health care program. It may be a private insurance
program, Medicare, Medicaid, or some other government program. There
is a wide difference between being covered by a private insurance
program and relying on free government care, but the point is that
100% of the people are covered. Few Americans will argue that we our
health care system is adequate, but anyone with any knowledge of the
system will refute your 80% claim.



Gotta disagree. Yes a lot of people in certain categories are covered, but I
know too many who have been forced into bankruptcy and/or lost their life
savings because of medical costs.

That's a whole different issue. Even a certain number of the 80% of
Americans who do have private insurance coverage can face this. Most
private insurance policies have some sort of limitation on the
coverage.


So health care is RATIONED even for the 80% who do have it.... and the
US health care cost a lot more then the UK system that covered 1005 of
the population?


US.. more expensive covers only a proportion of the population and may
bankrupt anyone who is ill if they run out of insurance.

UK ... health care for 100% of the population. Will not bankrupt you in
any situation.

Which is better?


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