American Third Position Political Party

JerryD\(upstateNY\) wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message .....Somalia has no scialist programs of any
sort. Where don't YOU go live THERE?

I'm not the one bitching about this great country, you are.

A classic example of patriotism being the refuge of the scoundrel.

--
Ray Fischer

In article , Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:13:19 GMT,
(GMAN) wrote:
In article , Bruce
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:55:07 -0600, Wing Ding
wrote:
On 2010-01-16 07:23:54 -0600, said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtAAw4cBevk

Both left and right agree that the existing two-party
system cannot handle the problems facing America.

striker

we're past that - Thomas Jefferson said we need a revolution every 200
years. He was right on the theory but wrong on the time. We need
revolution. Flush the political toilet and start anew.

Discuss.


If there was a revolution now, the future of the US would be turned
over to what is now the extreme right wing of the Republican Party.

I don't live in the US, but I cannot think of a more repulsive
political agenda.

I can, liberal. Take my money i worked hard for and give it to the likes of
you? I dont think so!


As I said, I cannot think of more repulsive people. ;-)

So what you are saying is you want me to work for it and give it to you? Its
more repulsive that you want to take it from me without earning it yourself.

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
A classic example of patriotism being the refuge of the scoundrel.


If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.
If gas gets to be $7.68 per gallon like it is right now in Germany or $7.97 in the Netherlands, and nobody can afford to drive, then tell me about how good Obama is doing.
The whole country will shut down with $8.00 per gallon gasoline.


--
JerryD(upstateNY)

"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" wrote in rec.photo.digital:
If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.

Exactly which European countries are socialist? Maybe you have missed
1989 and the following 20 years but to my knowlegde only Portugal still
has a reference to Socialism in its constitution, albeit obviously it's
only a lip service.

Or are you just another incarnation of Mr. Harrington or the
semi-brained Mr. HEMI-powered who have been trying to spread the same
nonsense in this NG for years? You know, even with a different name
nobody is going to believe you and constant repetitions don't improve
your position, either. On the contrary, they make you look like a 3-year
old in his stubborn phase.

jue

On 1/18/10 PDT 10:58 AM, Jürgen Exner wrote:
wrote in rec.photo.digital:
If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.

Exactly which European countries are socialist? Maybe you have missed
1989 and the following 20 years but to my knowlegde only Portugal still
has a reference to Socialism in its constitution, albeit obviously it's
only a lip service.

Or are you just another incarnation of Mr. Harrington or the
semi-brained Mr. HEMI-powered who have been trying to spread the same
nonsense in this NG for years? You know, even with a different name
nobody is going to believe you and constant repetitions don't improve
your position, either. On the contrary, they make you look like a 3-year
old in his stubborn phase.

jue

On 1/18/2010 1:58 PM, Jürgen Exner wrote:
"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" wrote in rec.photo.digital:
If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.

Exactly which European countries are socialist?

The ones that failed. Usually called Eastern Europe

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:31:13 -0500
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

On 1/18/2010 1:58 PM, Jürgen Exner wrote:
"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" wrote in rec.photo.digital:
If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.

Exactly which European countries are socialist?

The ones that failed. Usually called Eastern Europe

Actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...list_countries

Marxist-Leninist
These countries known as "Communist states" in the West, because their ruling parties generally use the name "Communist Party of [country]." However, the countries themselves are referred to as socialist republics, not communist, in their own constitutions. They are defined by a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. In accordance with Marxism-Leninism, the constitutions of these countries claim that all power belongs to the working class, that a democratic dictatorship of the proletariat has been implemented within their borders, and that they are building socialism, with the goal of achieving communism one day.

Western countries view Socialism and Communism as two distinct form of governmental economy. Concerning Socialism, it regards the welfare of its people like Capitalism does. In the sense that the wealth is redistributed the same way, while taxes would be higher. As for Communism, Western countries regards Communism as the opposite of Capitalism; in which the money itself is redistributed equally among everyone so that they may have a similar lifestyle. Whether their lifestyle is similar remains irrelevant in that sense.

Furthermore, the West views Communism as being a state run by the government for the greater good of all the people. As for those who see the difference between Communism and Socialism in the West, they view Socialism as being a state run by the government for the people.

[edit] Current
Main article: List of current communist states

A map showing states who currently declare themselves to be Marxist-Leninist. People's Republic of China - (ZhÅ�nghuá RénmÃ*n Gònghéguó) (since October 1, 1949)[1]
Cuba - Republic of Cuba (República de Cuba) (since January 1, 1959) [2]
North Korea - Democratic People's Republic of Korea (ChosÅ�n MinjujuÅ*i Inmin Konghwaguk) (since September 9, 1948) [3] (see Constitution of North Korea).
Laos - Lao People's Democratic Republic. (Sathalanalat Paxathipatai Paxaxon Lao) (since December 2, 1975)[citation needed]
Vietnam - Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Cộng hòa Xã hội Chủ nghĩa Việt Nam) (officially in unified Vietnam since July 2, 1976, but in the north since 1954) [4]
[edit] Former

A map of countries who declared themselves to be socialist states under the Marxist-Leninist definition (in the west known as, "Communist states") at some point in their history. The map uses present-day borders. Note that not all of these countries were Marxist-Leninist at the same time. Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (April 27, 1978 - April 28, 1992)
Socialist People's Republic of Albania (Republika Popullore Socialiste e Shqipërisë/Republika Popullore e Shqipërisë) (January 1, 1946 - March 22, 1992)
People's Republic of Angola (República Popular de Angola) (November 11, 1975 - August 27, 1992)
People's Republic of Benin (République Populaire du Bénin) (November 30, 1975 - March 1, 1990)
People's Republic of Bulgaria (Narodna Republika Balgariya) (September 15, 1946 - December 7, 1990)
Chinese Soviet Republic (ä¸*è�¯è˜‡ç¶*埃共和國 / ZhÅ�nghuá SÅ«wéi'Ä�i Gònghéguó) (November 7, 1931 - October 10, 1934)
People's Republic of the Congo (République Populaire du Congo) (January 3, 1970 - March 15, 1992)
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (Československá socialistická republika) (July 11, 1960 - March 29, 1990)
People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (September 10, 1987 - May 27, 1991)
Finnish Democratic Republic (Suomen Kansanvaltainen Tasavalta) (December 1, 1939 - March 12, 1940)
German Democratic Republic (Deutsche Demokratische Republik) (October 7, 1949 - October 3, 1990)
Political Committee of National Liberation (Greece) (December 24, 1947 - August 28, 1949)
People's Revolutionary Government of Grenada (March 13, 1979 - October 25, 1983)
People's Republic of Hungary (Magyar Népköztársaság) (August 20, 1949 - October 23, 1989)
Hungarian Soviet Republic (Magyar Tanácsköztársaság) (March 21 - August 6, 1919)
Democratic Kampuchea (April 4, 1976 - January 7, 1979)
People's Republic of Kampuchea (January 7, 1979 - October 23, 1991)
Mongolian People's Republic (November 24, 1924 - February 12, 1992)
People's Republic of Mozambique (República Popular de Moçambique) (June 25, 1975 - December 1, 1990)
People's Republic of Poland (Polska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa) (June 28, 1945 - July 19, 1989)
People's Republic of Romania (Republica Populară Romînă) (December 30, 1947 - December 21, 1989)
Somali Democratic Republic (Jamhuuriyadda Dimoqraadiga Soomaaliya) (July 1, 1976 - January 26, 1991)
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik) (December 30, 1922 - December 26, 1991)
Tuvan People's Republic (Tuva Arat Respublik) (August 14, 1921 - October 11, 1944)
Democratic Republic of Vietnam (Việt Nam Dân chủ Cộng hòa) (September 2, 1945 - July 2, 1976)
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (Jumhūrīyah al-Yaman ad-Dīmuqr�ţīyah ash-Sha'bīyah)(November 30, 1967 - May 22, 1990)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SocijalistiÄ�ka Federativna Republika Jugoslavija, СоцијалиÑ�тичка Федеративна Ð*епублика ЈугоÑ�лавија, SocialistiÄ�na federativna republika Jugoslavija) (November 29, 1943 - October 8, 1991 / April 27, 1992)
[edit] Non-Marxist-Leninist
These are countries whose constitutions make references to socialism, but do not subscribe to Marxist-Leninist ideology. As such, they represent a wide variety of different interpretations of the term socialism. Countries such as Egypt and Libya, for example, have adopted different versions of Arab socialism as their ideology at some point in their history. Tanzania, on the other hand, adopted African socialism as their official doctrine.


Map showing countries whose constitutions contained some references to socialism (under a non-Marxist definition) at some point in their history.[edit] Current
[edit] Constitutional references
Bangladesh - People's Republic of Bangladesh (since 16 December 1972) (Gônoprojatontri Bangladesh) (see Constitution of Bangladesh)
Egypt - Arab Republic of Egypt (Gumhūriyyet Maṣr el-ʿArabiyyah) (since 11 September 1971) (see Constitution of Egypt)
India - Republic of India (since 2 November 1976) (see Constitution of India)
Libya - Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (Al-JamÄ�hÄ«riyyah al-Ê¿Arabiyyah al-LÄ«biyyah aÅ¡-Å*aÊ¿biyyah al-IÅ¡tirÄ�kiyyah al-Ê¿UẓmÄ�) (since 1 September 1969)
Portugal - Portuguese Republic (República Portuguesa) (since 1976) (see Constitution of Portugal)
Sri Lanka Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (since 7 September 1978) (see Constitution of Sri Lanka)
Syria - Syrian Arab Republic (Al-Jumhūriyyah al-ʿArabiyyah as-Sūriyyah) (since 1973) (see Constitution of Syria)
Tanzania - United Republic of Tanzania (since 26 April 1964)
[edit] Informal[clarification needed]
Nicaragua - Republic of Nicaragua (República de Nicaragua) (see Sandinista)
Venezuela - Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (República Bolivariana de Venezuela) (see Bolivarianism)
[edit] Former
People's Democratic Republic of Algeria (Al-JumhÅ«rÄ«yah al-JazÄ�’irÄ«yah ad-DÄ«muqrÄ�á¹*Ä«yah ash-Sha’bÄ«yah) (15 September 1963 - 23 February 1989)
Burkina Faso[citation needed]
Republic of Cape Verde (República de Cabo Verde)[citation needed]
Socialist Republic of Chile (República Socialista de Chile) (4 June - 13 September 1932)
Republic of Ghana[citation needed]
People's Revolutionary Republic of Guinea (République populaire révolutionnaire de la Guinée) (1958 - 1984)
Bissau-Guinea[citation needed]
Republic of Iraq (Al-Jumhūrīyah al-ʿĪr�qiyah) (14 July 1958 - 16 July 1979)
State of Israel (Medinat Yisrael)
Democratic Republic of Madagascar (Repoblika Demokratika Malagasy) (21 December 1975 - 19 August 1992)
Republic of Mali (République du Mali) (6 December 1968 - 12 January 1992)
Republic of Nicaragua (República de Nicaragua)
Democratic Republic of São Tomé and PrÃ*ncipe (República Democrática de São Tomé e PrÃ*ncipe)[citation needed]
Republic of Senegal (République du Sénégal)[citation needed]
Republic of Seychelles (Repiblik Sesel)[citation needed]
Democratic Republic of Sudan (JumhÅ«riyyat as-SÅ«dÄ�n ad-DÄ«muqrÄ�á¹*Ä«yah) (1969 - 1985)
Republic of Suriname (Republic Suriname)[citation needed]
Tunisian Republic (Al-Jumhūriyyah at-Tūnisiyyah)[citation needed]
Republic of Uganda[citation needed]
[edit] Former states
United Arab Republic (Al-Jumhūrīyah al-‘Arabīyah al-Muttaḥidah) now Syrian Arab Republic and Egyptian Arab Republic
People's Republic of Zanzibar (Jamhuri ya Watu wa Zanzibar) now part of Tanzania.
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:22:34 -0800 (PST)
Twibil wrote:

On Jan 18, 10:32Â*am, "JerryD\(upstateNY\)"
wrote:


If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.

Hummm, this will come as a surprise to those "failed socialist
countrys", all of whom think they're doing quite well. (You might try
actually visiting Europe some time before attempting to lecture about
it.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...list_countries

These are short-lived political entities that emerged during wars or revolutions (mostly in the aftermath of World War I) and declared themselves to be socialist under some interpretation of the term, but did not survive long enough to create a stable government or achieve international recognition.

Alsace Soviet Republic (November 9 - November 22, 1918)
Asturian Socialist Republic (de facto) (October 5-18 1934)
Azerbaijan People's Government (November 1945 - December 1946)
Bavarian Soviet Republic (Bayerische Räterepublik) (April 6 - May 3, 1919)
Bessarabian Soviet Socialist Republic (May - September 1919)
Bukharan People's Soviet Republic (October 8, 1920 - February 17, 1925)
Chinese Soviet Republic (Zh�nghuá Sūwéi'�i Gònghéguó) (November 7, 1931 - October 1934)
Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic (February 12 - May 1918)
Estonian Workers' Commune (Eesti Töörahva Kommuun/Ð*Ñ�тлÑ�ндÑ�каÑ� ТрудоваÑ� Коммуна) (November 29, 1918 - June 5, 1919)
Far Eastern Republic (Dalnevostochnaya Respublika) (April 6, 1920 - November 15, 1922)
Finnish Socialist Workers' Republic (January 28 - April 29, 1918)
Galician Soviet Socialist Republic (July 8 - September 21, 1920)
German Socialist Republic (Räterepublik) (November 9, 1918 - ?)
Hunan Soviet (1927)
Khorazmian People's Soviet Republic (April 26, 1920 - October 20, 1923)
Lithuanian-Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (Lietuvos-Baltarusijos TarybinÄ— SocialistinÄ— Respublika) (February 27 - August 25, 1919)
Republic of Mahabad (Komarî Mehabad) (January 22 - December 15, 1946)
Mughan Soviet Republic (March - June 1919)
Soviet Republic of Naissaar (December 1917 - February 26, 1918)
Paris Commune (La Commune de Paris) (March 18 - May 28, 1871) (first socialist republic in history)
Persian Socialist Soviet Republic (June 9, 1920 - September 1921)
Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam (ChÃ*nh phủ Cách mạng lâm thá»�i Cá»™ng hoÃ* miá»�n Nam Việt Nam) (April 30, 1975 - June 2, 1976)
Slovak Soviet Republic (Slovenská Republika Rád) (June 16 - July 7, 1919)
Turkestan Socialist Federative Republic (April 30, 1918 - October 27, 1924)
Democratic Republic of Yemen (May 21 - July 7, 1994)

If gas gets to be $7.68 per gallon like it is right now in Germany or $7.97 in the Netherlands, and nobody can afford to drive, then tell me about how good Obama is doing.

Funny, the people in Germany and The Netherlands are driving every
single day. I wonder how they can do that if "nobody can afford to
drive"?

They have VERY short duistances to drive and dense mass transit, you stupid *******!

(Q: Do you ever proof-read the stuff you write, then look at it and
say "Whoops! That can't *possibly* be right!"? Apparently not.)

The whole country will shut down with $8.00 per gallon gasoline.

Yeah, just like it did with $3.00 gasoline.


Did you miss the economic recession it caused at it went to $4/gallon?

You stupid *******.

--

On 1/18/2010 2:53 PM, ceviche wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:31:13 -0500
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

On 1/18/2010 1:58 PM, Jürgen Exner wrote:
"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" wrote in rec.photo.digital:
If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.

Exactly which European countries are socialist?

The ones that failed. Usually called Eastern Europe

Actually:

A socialist, is just a communist without a gun in his hand.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...list_countries

Marxist-Leninist
These countries known as "Communist states" in the West, because their ruling parties generally use the name "Communist Party of [country]." However, the countries themselves are referred to as socialist republics, not communist, in their own constitutions. They are defined by a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. In accordance with Marxism-Leninism, the constitutions of these countries claim that all power belongs to the working class, that a democratic dictatorship of the proletariat has been implemented within their borders, and that they are building socialism, with the goal of achieving communism one day.

Western countries view Socialism and Communism as two distinct form of governmental economy. Concerning Socialism, it regards the welfare of its people like Capitalism does. In the sense that the wealth is redistributed the same way, while taxes would be higher. As for Communism, Western countries regards Communism as the opposite of Capitalism; in which the money itself is redistributed equally among everyone so that they may have a similar lifestyle. Whether their lifestyle is similar remains irrelevant in that sense.

Furthermore, the West views Communism as being a state run by the government for the greater good of all the people. As for those who see the difference between Communism and Socialism in the West, they view Socialism as being a state run by the government for the people.

[edit] Current
Main article: List of current communist states

A map showing states who currently declare themselves to be Marxist-Leninist. People's Republic of China - (ZhÅ�nghuá RénmÃ*n Gònghéguó) (since October 1, 1949)[1]
Cuba - Republic of Cuba (República de Cuba) (since January 1, 1959) [2]
North Korea - Democratic People's Republic of Korea (ChosÅ�n MinjujuÅ*i Inmin Konghwaguk) (since September 9, 1948) [3] (see Constitution of North Korea).
Laos - Lao People's Democratic Republic. (Sathalanalat Paxathipatai Paxaxon Lao) (since December 2, 1975)[citation needed]
Vietnam - Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Cộng hòa Xã hội Chủ nghĩa Việt Nam) (officially in unified Vietnam since July 2, 1976, but in the north since 1954) [4]
[edit] Former

A map of countries who declared themselves to be socialist states under the Marxist-Leninist definition (in the west known as, "Communist states") at some point in their history. The map uses present-day borders. Note that not all of these countries were Marxist-Leninist at the same time. Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (April 27, 1978 - April 28, 1992)
Socialist People's Republic of Albania (Republika Popullore Socialiste e Shqipërisë/Republika Popullore e Shqipërisë) (January 1, 1946 - March 22, 1992)
People's Republic of Angola (República Popular de Angola) (November 11, 1975 - August 27, 1992)
People's Republic of Benin (République Populaire du Bénin) (November 30, 1975 - March 1, 1990)
People's Republic of Bulgaria (Narodna Republika Balgariya) (September 15, 1946 - December 7, 1990)
Chinese Soviet Republic (ä¸*è�¯è˜‡ç¶*埃共和國 / ZhÅ�nghuá SÅ«wéi'Ä�i Gònghéguó) (November 7, 1931 - October 10, 1934)
People's Republic of the Congo (République Populaire du Congo) (January 3, 1970 - March 15, 1992)
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (Československá socialistická republika) (July 11, 1960 - March 29, 1990)
People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (September 10, 1987 - May 27, 1991)
Finnish Democratic Republic (Suomen Kansanvaltainen Tasavalta) (December 1, 1939 - March 12, 1940)
German Democratic Republic (Deutsche Demokratische Republik) (October 7, 1949 - October 3, 1990)
Political Committee of National Liberation (Greece) (December 24, 1947 - August 28, 1949)
People's Revolutionary Government of Grenada (March 13, 1979 - October 25, 1983)
People's Republic of Hungary (Magyar Népköztársaság) (August 20, 1949 - October 23, 1989)
Hungarian Soviet Republic (Magyar Tanácsköztársaság) (March 21 - August 6, 1919)
Democratic Kampuchea (April 4, 1976 - January 7, 1979)
People's Republic of Kampuchea (January 7, 1979 - October 23, 1991)
Mongolian People's Republic (November 24, 1924 - February 12, 1992)
People's Republic of Mozambique (República Popular de Moçambique) (June 25, 1975 - December 1, 1990)
People's Republic of Poland (Polska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa) (June 28, 1945 - July 19, 1989)
People's Republic of Romania (Republica Populară Romînă) (December 30, 1947 - December 21, 1989)
Somali Democratic Republic (Jamhuuriyadda Dimoqraadiga Soomaaliya) (July 1, 1976 - January 26, 1991)
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik) (December 30, 1922 - December 26, 1991)
Tuvan People's Republic (Tuva Arat Respublik) (August 14, 1921 - October 11, 1944)
Democratic Republic of Vietnam (Việt Nam Dân chủ Cộng hòa) (September 2, 1945 - July 2, 1976)
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (Jumhūrīyah al-Yaman ad-Dīmuqr�ţīyah ash-Sha'bīyah)(November 30, 1967 - May 22, 1990)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SocijalistiÄ�ka Federativna Republika Jugoslavija, СоцијалиÑ�тичка Федеративна Ð*епублика ЈугоÑ�лавија, SocialistiÄ�na federativna republika Jugoslavija) (November 29, 1943 - October 8, 1991 / April 27, 1992)
[edit] Non-Marxist-Leninist
These are countries whose constitutions make references to socialism, but do not subscribe to Marxist-Leninist ideology. As such, they represent a wide variety of different interpretations of the term socialism. Countries such as Egypt and Libya, for example, have adopted different versions of Arab socialism as their ideology at some point in their history. Tanzania, on the other hand, adopted African socialism as their official doctrine.


Map showing countries whose constitutions contained some references to socialism (under a non-Marxist definition) at some point in their history.[edit] Current
[edit] Constitutional references
Bangladesh - People's Republic of Bangladesh (since 16 December 1972) (Gônoprojatontri Bangladesh) (see Constitution of Bangladesh)
Egypt - Arab Republic of Egypt (Gumhūriyyet Maṣr el-ʿArabiyyah) (since 11 September 1971) (see Constitution of Egypt)
India - Republic of India (since 2 November 1976) (see Constitution of India)
Libya - Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (Al-JamÄ�hÄ«riyyah al-Ê¿Arabiyyah al-LÄ«biyyah aÅ¡-Å*aÊ¿biyyah al-IÅ¡tirÄ�kiyyah al-Ê¿UẓmÄ�) (since 1 September 1969)
Portugal - Portuguese Republic (República Portuguesa) (since 1976) (see Constitution of Portugal)
Sri Lanka Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (since 7 September 1978) (see Constitution of Sri Lanka)
Syria - Syrian Arab Republic (Al-Jumhūriyyah al-ʿArabiyyah as-Sūriyyah) (since 1973) (see Constitution of Syria)
Tanzania - United Republic of Tanzania (since 26 April 1964)
[edit] Informal[clarification needed]
Nicaragua - Republic of Nicaragua (República de Nicaragua) (see Sandinista)
Venezuela - Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (República Bolivariana de Venezuela) (see Bolivarianism)
[edit] Former
People's Democratic Republic of Algeria (Al-JumhÅ«rÄ«yah al-JazÄ�’irÄ«yah ad-DÄ«muqrÄ�á¹*Ä«yah ash-Sha’bÄ«yah) (15 September 1963 - 23 February 1989)
Burkina Faso[citation needed]
Republic of Cape Verde (República de Cabo Verde)[citation needed]
Socialist Republic of Chile (República Socialista de Chile) (4 June - 13 September 1932)
Republic of Ghana[citation needed]
People's Revolutionary Republic of Guinea (République populaire révolutionnaire de la Guinée) (1958 - 1984)
Bissau-Guinea[citation needed]
Republic of Iraq (Al-Jumhūrīyah al-ʿĪr�qiyah) (14 July 1958 - 16 July 1979)
State of Israel (Medinat Yisrael)
Democratic Republic of Madagascar (Repoblika Demokratika Malagasy) (21 December 1975 - 19 August 1992)
Republic of Mali (République du Mali) (6 December 1968 - 12 January 1992)
Republic of Nicaragua (República de Nicaragua)
Democratic Republic of São Tomé and PrÃ*ncipe (República Democrática de São Tomé e PrÃ*ncipe)[citation needed]
Republic of Senegal (République du Sénégal)[citation needed]
Republic of Seychelles (Repiblik Sesel)[citation needed]
Democratic Republic of Sudan (JumhÅ«riyyat as-SÅ«dÄ�n ad-DÄ«muqrÄ�á¹*Ä«yah) (1969 - 1985)
Republic of Suriname (Republic Suriname)[citation needed]
Tunisian Republic (Al-Jumhūriyyah at-Tūnisiyyah)[citation needed]
Republic of Uganda[citation needed]
[edit] Former states
United Arab Republic (Al-Jumhūrīyah al-‘Arabīyah al-Muttaḥidah) now Syrian Arab Republic and Egyptian Arab Republic
People's Republic of Zanzibar (Jamhuri ya Watu wa Zanzibar) now part of Tanzania.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:28:47 -0500
Poetic Justice wrote:

On 1/18/2010 2:53 PM, ceviche wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:31:13 -0500
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

On 1/18/2010 1:58 PM, Jürgen Exner wrote:
"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" wrote in rec.photo.digital:
If it makes me a scoundrel to not want America to turn into a failed socialist country like most European countries, so be it.

Exactly which European countries are socialist?

The ones that failed. Usually called Eastern Europe

Actually:

A socialist, is just a communist without a gun in his hand.

A fair observation.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...list_countries

Marxist-Leninist
These countries known as "Communist states" in the West, because their ruling parties generally use the name "Communist Party of [country]." However, the countries themselves are referred to as socialist republics, not communist, in their own constitutions. They are defined by a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. In accordance with Marxism-Leninism, the constitutions of these countries claim that all power belongs to the working class, that a democratic dictatorship of the proletariat has been implemented within their borders, and that they are building socialism, with the goal of achieving communism one day.

Western countries view Socialism and Communism as two distinct form of governmental economy. Concerning Socialism, it regards the welfare of its people like Capitalism does. In the sense that the wealth is redistributed the same way, while taxes would be higher. As for Communism, Western countries regards Communism as the opposite of Capitalism; in which the money itself is redistributed equally among everyone so that they may have a similar lifestyle. Whether their lifestyle is similar remains irrelevant in that sense.

Furthermore, the West views Communism as being a state run by the government for the greater good of all the people. As for those who see the difference between Communism and Socialism in the West, they view Socialism as being a state run by the government for the people.

[edit] Current
Main article: List of current communist states

A map showing states who currently declare themselves to be Marxist-Leninist. People's Republic of China - (ZhÅ�nghuá RénmÃ*n Gònghéguó) (since October 1, 1949)[1]
Cuba - Republic of Cuba (República de Cuba) (since January 1, 1959) [2]
North Korea - Democratic People's Republic of Korea (ChosÅ�n MinjujuÅ*i Inmin Konghwaguk) (since September 9, 1948) [3] (see Constitution of North Korea).
Laos - Lao People's Democratic Republic. (Sathalanalat Paxathipatai Paxaxon Lao) (since December 2, 1975)[citation needed]
Vietnam - Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Cộng hòa Xã hội Chủ nghĩa Việt Nam) (officially in unified Vietnam since July 2, 1976, but in the north since 1954) [4]
[edit] Former

A map of countries who declared themselves to be socialist states under the Marxist-Leninist definition (in the west known as, "Communist states") at some point in their history. The map uses present-day borders. Note that not all of these countries were Marxist-Leninist at the same time. Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (April 27, 1978 - April 28, 1992)
Socialist People's Republic of Albania (Republika Popullore Socialiste e Shqipërisë/Republika Popullore e Shqipërisë) (January 1, 1946 - March 22, 1992)
People's Republic of Angola (República Popular de Angola) (November 11, 1975 - August 27, 1992)
People's Republic of Benin (République Populaire du Bénin) (November 30, 1975 - March 1, 1990)
People's Republic of Bulgaria (Narodna Republika Balgariya) (September 15, 1946 - December 7, 1990)
Chinese Soviet Republic (ä¸*è�¯è˜‡ç¶*埃共和國 / ZhÅ�nghuá SÅ«wéi'Ä�i Gònghéguó) (November 7, 1931 - October 10, 1934)
People's Republic of the Congo (République Populaire du Congo) (January 3, 1970 - March 15, 1992)
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (Československá socialistická republika) (July 11, 1960 - March 29, 1990)
People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (September 10, 1987 - May 27, 1991)
Finnish Democratic Republic (Suomen Kansanvaltainen Tasavalta) (December 1, 1939 - March 12, 1940)
German Democratic Republic (Deutsche Demokratische Republik) (October 7, 1949 - October 3, 1990)
Political Committee of National Liberation (Greece) (December 24, 1947 - August 28, 1949)
People's Revolutionary Government of Grenada (March 13, 1979 - October 25, 1983)
People's Republic of Hungary (Magyar Népköztársaság) (August 20, 1949 - October 23, 1989)
Hungarian Soviet Republic (Magyar Tanácsköztársaság) (March 21 - August 6, 1919)
Democratic Kampuchea (April 4, 1976 - January 7, 1979)
People's Republic of Kampuchea (January 7, 1979 - October 23, 1991)
Mongolian People's Republic (November 24, 1924 - February 12, 1992)
People's Republic of Mozambique (República Popular de Moçambique) (June 25, 1975 - December 1, 1990)
People's Republic of Poland (Polska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa) (June 28, 1945 - July 19, 1989)
People's Republic of Romania (Republica Populară Romînă) (December 30, 1947 - December 21, 1989)
Somali Democratic Republic (Jamhuuriyadda Dimoqraadiga Soomaaliya) (July 1, 1976 - January 26, 1991)
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik) (December 30, 1922 - December 26, 1991)
Tuvan People's Republic (Tuva Arat Respublik) (August 14, 1921 - October 11, 1944)
Democratic Republic of Vietnam (Việt Nam Dân chủ Cộng hòa) (September 2, 1945 - July 2, 1976)
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (Jumhūrīyah al-Yaman ad-Dīmuqr�ţīyah ash-Sha'bīyah)(November 30, 1967 - May 22, 1990)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SocijalistiÄ�ka Federativna Republika Jugoslavija, СоцијалиÑ�тичка Федеративна Ð*епублика ЈугоÑ�лавија, SocialistiÄ�na federativna republika Jugoslavija) (November 29, 1943 - October 8, 1991 / April 27, 1992)
[edit] Non-Marxist-Leninist
These are countries whose constitutions make references to socialism, but do not subscribe to Marxist-Leninist ideology. As such, they represent a wide variety of different interpretations of the term socialism. Countries such as Egypt and Libya, for example, have adopted different versions of Arab socialism as their ideology at some point in their history. Tanzania, on the other hand, adopted African socialism as their official doctrine.


Map showing countries whose constitutions contained some references to socialism (under a non-Marxist definition) at some point in their history.[edit] Current
[edit] Constitutional references
Bangladesh - People's Republic of Bangladesh (since 16 December 1972) (Gônoprojatontri Bangladesh) (see Constitution of Bangladesh)
Egypt - Arab Republic of Egypt (Gumhūriyyet Maṣr el-ʿArabiyyah) (since 11 September 1971) (see Constitution of Egypt)
India - Republic of India (since 2 November 1976) (see Constitution of India)
Libya - Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (Al-JamÄ�hÄ«riyyah al-Ê¿Arabiyyah al-LÄ«biyyah aÅ¡-Å*aÊ¿biyyah al-IÅ¡tirÄ�kiyyah al-Ê¿UẓmÄ�) (since 1 September 1969)
Portugal - Portuguese Republic (República Portuguesa) (since 1976) (see Constitution of Portugal)
Sri Lanka Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (since 7 September 1978) (see Constitution of Sri Lanka)
Syria - Syrian Arab Republic (Al-Jumhūriyyah al-ʿArabiyyah as-Sūriyyah) (since 1973) (see Constitution of Syria)
Tanzania - United Republic of Tanzania (since 26 April 1964)
[edit] Informal[clarification needed]
Nicaragua - Republic of Nicaragua (República de Nicaragua) (see Sandinista)
Venezuela - Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (República Bolivariana de Venezuela) (see Bolivarianism)
[edit] Former
People's Democratic Republic of Algeria (Al-JumhÅ«rÄ«yah al-JazÄ�’irÄ«yah ad-DÄ«muqrÄ�á¹*Ä«yah ash-Sha’bÄ«yah) (15 September 1963 - 23 February 1989)
Burkina Faso[citation needed]
Republic of Cape Verde (República de Cabo Verde)[citation needed]
Socialist Republic of Chile (República Socialista de Chile) (4 June - 13 September 1932)
Republic of Ghana[citation needed]
People's Revolutionary Republic of Guinea (République populaire révolutionnaire de la Guinée) (1958 - 1984)
Bissau-Guinea[citation needed]
Republic of Iraq (Al-Jumhūrīyah al-ʿĪr�qiyah) (14 July 1958 - 16 July 1979)
State of Israel (Medinat Yisrael)
Democratic Republic of Madagascar (Repoblika Demokratika Malagasy) (21 December 1975 - 19 August 1992)
Republic of Mali (République du Mali) (6 December 1968 - 12 January 1992)
Republic of Nicaragua (República de Nicaragua)
Democratic Republic of São Tomé and PrÃ*ncipe (República Democrática de São Tomé e PrÃ*ncipe)[citation needed]
Republic of Senegal (République du Sénégal)[citation needed]
Republic of Seychelles (Repiblik Sesel)[citation needed]
Democratic Republic of Sudan (JumhÅ«riyyat as-SÅ«dÄ�n ad-DÄ«muqrÄ�á¹*Ä«yah) (1969 - 1985)
Republic of Suriname (Republic Suriname)[citation needed]
Tunisian Republic (Al-Jumhūriyyah at-Tūnisiyyah)[citation needed]
Republic of Uganda[citation needed]
[edit] Former states
United Arab Republic (Al-Jumhūrīyah al-‘Arabīyah al-Muttaḥidah) now Syrian Arab Republic and Egyptian Arab Republic
People's Republic of Zanzibar (Jamhuri ya Watu wa Zanzibar) now part of Tanzania.



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