Global Warming and what you can do to against it

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:15:24 -0800 (PST), ".."
wrote:

Dear All,
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
planet.

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Lets go back to the beginning. Is it actually occurring? See
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...arts-here.html




Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:15:24 -0800 (PST), ".."
wrote:

Dear All,
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
planet.

Lets go back to the beginning. Is it actually occurring?

Yes.

Only fools and idiots mistake long-term trends for localized short
term effects.

--
Ray Fischer

wrote:
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
planet.

Actually no, global warming isn't endangering life at all. Life will
happily survive as it did many, many even more catastrophic changes in
the past hundreds of millions of years.

jue

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:15:24 -0800 (PST), ".."
wrote:

Dear All,
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
planet.

Lets go back to the beginning. Is it actually occurring?

Yes.

See
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...arts-here.html

This guy is either a paid shill for the oil industry or a confused
fool.

He claims:
According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado,
Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26
per cent, since 2007 - and even the most committed global
warming activists do not dispute this.

What's the truth?

Published in Geophysical Research Letters, the results of research
conducted at University College London found that:

Some places Experienced 49cm of Ice Thickness Loss
Last winter the average thickness of sea ice over the whole Arctic
fell by 26 cm (10%) compared with the average thickness of the
previous five winters, but sea ice in the western Arctic lost
around 49 cm of thickness.

Difficult to Measure Changes Across Whole Arctic
In describing the challenges faced in their research, Dr Katherine
Giles said,

As the Arctic ice pack is constantly moving, conventional methods
can only provide sparse and intermittent measurements of ice
thickness from which it is difficult to tell whether the changes
are local or across the whole Arctic.
Satellites provide the only means to determine trends and a
consistent and wide area basis. Envisat altimeter data have
provided the critical third dimension to the satellite images
which have already revealed a dramatic decrease in the area of ice
covered in the Arctic.

--
Ray Fischer

"Ray Fischer" wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

Lets go back to the beginning. Is it actually occurring?
See
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...arts-here.html

This guy is either a paid shill for the oil industry or a confused
fool.

He claims:
According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado,
Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26
per cent, since 2007 - and even the most committed global
warming activists do not dispute this.

What's the truth?

That the guy is a lying sleaze. Here's what the US National Snow and Ice
Data Center actually says.

"According to scientific measurements, Arctic sea ice has declined
dramatically over at least the past thirty years, with the most extreme
decline seen in the summer melt season."

And:

"At the end of the Arctic summer, more ice cover remained this year than
during the previous record-setting low years of 2007 and 2008. However, sea
ice has not recovered to previous levels. September sea ice extent was the
third lowest since the start of satellite records in 1979, and the past five
years have seen the five lowest ice extents in the satellite record."

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20091005_minimumpr.html

Here's a surprise (not): Mojib Latif's work doesn't say what David Rose
claims it does; it says the opposite.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ng-mojib-latif

Long story short: this is the same stupidity Neil has been pedaling: that
weather and climate are the same thing.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
See
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...arts-here.html

This guy is either a paid shill for the oil industry or a confused
fool.

He claims:
According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado,
Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26
per cent, since 2007 - and even the most committed global
warming activists do not dispute this.

What's the truth?

That is true (I didn't verify the exact numbers), but
hilariously out of context. 2007 was a record low,
while 2008 and 2009 are the second and third lowest
years ever. The amount of variation over those three
years is insignificant.

Note that the number of years in which the North West
Passage has been open for casual traffic (sans ice
breaker) can be counted on one hand. This last summer
at least three sailboats that I'm aware of transited
from west to east (which, relatively, is backwards given
the prevailing east winds).

Published in Geophysical Research Letters, the results of research
conducted at University College London found that:

Some places Experienced 49cm of Ice Thickness Loss
Last winter the average thickness of sea ice over the whole Arctic
fell by 26 cm (10%) compared with the average thickness of the
previous five winters, but sea ice in the western Arctic lost
around 49 cm of thickness.

That is of some considerable significance too.

Here in Barrow we virtually no longer see any
"multi-year" ice. Multi year ice is denser and stronger
than new ice. The effects of current/wind driven
icepack interaction with shore fast ice (virtually all
of which is necessarily new ice) have changed
dramatically over just the past 10 years.

The ice coverage of the Arctic Ocean has at least 2 or 3
different cyclic patterns. 2007 obviously was a minimum
for all of them, and the current levels are higher due
to a short interval pattern. In less than a decade we
can expect the cycle to bottom out again, and when it
does there is every likelihood that we will see a
virtually ice free summer in the Arctic Ocean.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Jürgen Exner wrote:
wrote:
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
planet.

Actually no, global warming isn't endangering life at all. Life will
happily survive as it did many, many even more catastrophic changes in
the past hundreds of millions of years.

Civilization, however, is not so assured of survival, and your present
way of life is certainly threatened.

--
Ray Fischer

On 12 Jan 2010 04:42:36 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:15:24 -0800 (PST), ".."
wrote:

Dear All,
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
planet.

Lets go back to the beginning. Is it actually occurring?

Yes.

See
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...arts-here.html

This guy is either a paid shill for the oil industry or a confused
fool.

He claims:
According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado,
Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26
per cent, since 2007 - and even the most committed global
warming activists do not dispute this.

What's the truth?

Published in Geophysical Research Letters, the results of research
conducted at University College London found that:

Date please.

Some places Experienced 49cm of Ice Thickness Loss
Last winter the average thickness of sea ice over the whole Arctic
fell by 26 cm (10%) compared with the average thickness of the
previous five winters, but sea ice in the western Arctic lost
around 49 cm of thickness.

Difficult to Measure Changes Across Whole Arctic
In describing the challenges faced in their research, Dr Katherine
Giles said,

As the Arctic ice pack is constantly moving, conventional methods
can only provide sparse and intermittent measurements of ice
thickness from which it is difficult to tell whether the changes
are local or across the whole Arctic.
Satellites provide the only means to determine trends and a
consistent and wide area basis. Envisat altimeter data have
provided the critical third dimension to the satellite images
which have already revealed a dramatic decrease in the area of ice
covered in the Arctic.



Eric Stevens

"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message
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Long story short: this is the same stupidity Neil has been pedaling: that
weather and climate are the same thing.

Science Dictionary
climate (kli'mit) Pronunciation Key
The general or average weather conditions of a certain region,
including temperature, rainfall, and wind. On Earth, climate is most
affected by latitude, the tilt of the Earth's axis, the movements of the
Earth's wind belts, the difference in temperatures of land and sea, and
topography. Human activity, especially relating to actions relating to the
depletion of the ozone layer, is also an important factor.


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What did you think climate was all about, David? TV listings?

"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message
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Long story short: this is the same stupidity Neil has been pedaling: that

BTW, how exactly does anyone go about *pedaling* stupidity?

Is that something like towing the line?