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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?



 
 
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Old December 2nd 07, 01:25 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
Wilba[_2_]
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Wilba wrote:
Mr. Strat wrote:

There's no substitute for time and experience.


So now we get back to the point. I agree but I also think there IS a
viable substitute - histogram, highlight, and shadow displays (either on
the image or live). That's very valuable information, available
"instantly", to help you determine camera settings with accuracy.

I also believe that if you don't already have the time and experience, at
least these exposure displays will help you to learn the judgement skills
more easily and rapidly than waiting for prints or slides to come back
from the lab.


Now I understand better from another of your posts that you are talking
about your own ability, style, and requirements, rather than making any
global claims that histograms, etc. are useless or superfluous for everyone.
You have tried them as intended for sufficiently long to judge that they
don't help you, right? :-)


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Old December 2nd 07, 02:26 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
Neil Harrington[_2_]
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"Wilba" wrote in message
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Wilba wrote:
Mr. Strat wrote:

There's no substitute for time and experience.


So now we get back to the point. I agree but I also think there IS a
viable substitute - histogram, highlight, and shadow displays (either on
the image or live). That's very valuable information, available
"instantly", to help you determine camera settings with accuracy.

I also believe that if you don't already have the time and experience, at
least these exposure displays will help you to learn the judgement skills
more easily and rapidly than waiting for prints or slides to come back
from the lab.


Now I understand better from another of your posts that you are talking
about your own ability, style, and requirements, rather than making any
global claims that histograms, etc. are useless or superfluous for
everyone. You have tried them as intended for sufficiently long to judge
that they don't help you, right? :-)


Yeah, right. ;-)

Neil


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Old December 2nd 07, 04:50 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
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Default DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?

In article , Wilba
wrote:

Now I understand better from another of your posts that you are talking
about your own ability, style, and requirements, rather than making any
global claims that histograms, etc. are useless or superfluous for everyone.
You have tried them as intended for sufficiently long to judge that they
don't help you, right? :-)


I've looked at them and not found them to be particularly useful. We
didn't have them in film days and I rarely had to have custom prints
made. As I said before, digital is just another kind of film with its
own quirks, requirements, etc.
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Old December 2nd 07, 07:01 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
Wilba[_2_]
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Default DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?

Mr. Strat wrote:
Wilba wrote:

Now I understand better from another of your posts that you are
talking about your own ability, style, and requirements, rather than
making any global claims that histograms, etc. are useless or
superfluous for everyone. You have tried them as intended for
sufficiently long to judge that they don't help you, right? :-)


I've looked at them and not found them to be particularly useful.


OK. You said "looked at" rather than something like used, studied, worked
with, or employed, which suggest to me that you haven't understood what they
can do for you.

We didn't have them in film days and I rarely had to have custom
prints made. As I said before, digital is just another kind of film
with its own quirks, requirements, etc.


The main one being that a sensor responds very differently to highlights. I
can't trust my judgement to get that right like I could with reversal or
slide film. Goodonya if you can, but I remain sceptical. :-)


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Old December 2nd 07, 10:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
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"Mr. Strat" wrote in message
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In article , Wilba
wrote:

Now I understand better from another of your posts that you are talking
about your own ability, style, and requirements, rather than making any
global claims that histograms, etc. are useless or superfluous for
everyone.
You have tried them as intended for sufficiently long to judge that they
don't help you, right? :-)


I've looked at them and not found them to be particularly useful. We
didn't have them in film days and I rarely had to have custom prints
made.


So you didn't do your own printing?

Photo labs make the necessary corrections when they make the prints. They
always did. I never "had to have custom prints made" when I was a teen-ager
with a Baby Brownie, either. That camera cost about a dollar, and had one
aperture and one shutter speed so I'm inclined to doubt its exposure was
always perfect.

Neil


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Old December 2nd 07, 10:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
Mr. Strat
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Default DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?

In article , Wilba
wrote:

OK. You said "looked at" rather than something like used, studied, worked
with, or employed, which suggest to me that you haven't understood what they
can do for you.


Let's nitpick words now.

The main one being that a sensor responds very differently to highlights. I
can't trust my judgement to get that right like I could with reversal or
slide film. Goodonya if you can, but I remain sceptical. :-)


It's been my experience that amateurs can rarely grasp the depth of
understanding that professionals do.
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Old December 2nd 07, 10:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
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In article , Neil
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So you didn't do your own printing?


Actually, I did. I still have the equipment to do up to 16x20 in either
B&W or color. Wanna buy some of that old stuff?
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Old December 3rd 07, 04:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
Neil Harrington[_2_]
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"Mr. Strat" wrote in message
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In article , Neil
Harrington wrote:

So you didn't do your own printing?


Actually, I did. I still have the equipment to do up to 16x20 in either
B&W or color. Wanna buy some of that old stuff?


Not me, thanks! I'd like to sell my old equipment is what I'd like to do.

Neil


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Old December 3rd 07, 09:40 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital.zlr,rec.photo.misc
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Default DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?

In rec.photo.digital.zlr Mr. Strat wrote:
In article , Wilba
wrote:


OK. You said "looked at" rather than something like used, studied, worked
with, or employed, which suggest to me that you haven't understood what they
can do for you.


Let's nitpick words now.


The main one being that a sensor responds very differently to highlights. I
can't trust my judgement to get that right like I could with reversal or
slide film. Goodonya if you can, but I remain sceptical. :-)


It's been my experience that amateurs can rarely grasp the depth of
understanding that professionals do.


Anyone who has studied the work of the best professionals, read their
writings, and listened to their interviews on radio and TV, knows that
all they need to know is how to do it, not necessarily why what they
do works. Some of them do indeed have a deep understanding, but most
of them don't, simply because they don't need it. That's why there's a
choice in the various professional qualifications a photographer can
acquire between those that give you the skills and those that give you
a depth of understanding.

--
Chris Malcolm DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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