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SLR's ..... frustrating ?
.... i've recently 'upgraded' from an Olympus E10 to a Canon300d and
now find that this 'out of focus' background ' restricted depth of field to be annoying.... With a pocket digital or 'point and shootcompact ' the smaller chip in the camera gives a far deeper depth of field.. To me this is what photography is all about... to capture that scene/ moment/ person/event AS My EYES SEE It... NOT to have the foregound or subject in focus and the background blurry... (I can blur the background in Photoshop - BUT I can't bring it back to its original 'real state').. The Olympus E10 had a slightly larger chip than 'norm' and so I got the best of both worlds - a sharp / full depth picture of superb quality from a camera that was for all intents and purposes a SLR... The Canon 300D can take super pictures but you can't always guarantee a true depth of field (depends on available light / shutter speed and type of lens being used...) - it's more frustrating to me than enjoyable knowing that some pics just aren't what you really wanted... |
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SLR's ..... frustrating ?
"advid" wrote in message om... ... i've recently 'upgraded' from an Olympus E10 to a Canon300d and now find that this 'out of focus' background ' restricted depth of field to be annoying.... With a pocket digital or 'point and shootcompact ' the smaller chip in the camera gives a far deeper depth of field.. To me this is what photography is all about... to capture that scene/ moment/ person/event AS My EYES SEE It... NOT to have the foregound or subject in focus and the background blurry... (I can blur the background in Photoshop - BUT I can't bring it back to its original 'real state').. The Olympus E10 had a slightly larger chip than 'norm' and so I got the best of both worlds - a sharp / full depth picture of superb quality from a camera that was for all intents and purposes a SLR... The Canon 300D can take super pictures but you can't always guarantee a true depth of field (depends on available light / shutter speed and type of lens being used...) - it's more frustrating to me than enjoyable knowing that some pics just aren't what you really wanted... Can't you just use a smaller aperture to increase DoF ? And a higher ISO setting if you don't have enough available light ? Surely the D300 should give you MORE control over DoF. |
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SLR's ..... frustrating ?
"advid" wrote in message om... The Canon 300D can take super pictures but you can't always guarantee a true depth of field (depends on available light / shutter speed and type of lens being used...) - it's more frustrating to me than enjoyable knowing that some pics just aren't what you really wanted... With respect, the failing lies not in the camera but in your use of it. Learn to control depth of field with selection of the right aperture and your frustration will just melt away. |
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SLR's ..... frustrating ?
"advid" wrote in message om... ... i've recently 'upgraded' from an Olympus E10 to a Canon300d and now find that this 'out of focus' background ' restricted depth of field to be annoying.... With a pocket digital or 'point and shootcompact ' the smaller chip in the camera gives a far deeper depth of field.. To me this is what photography is all about... to capture that scene/ moment/ person/event AS My EYES SEE It... NOT to have the foregound or subject in focus and the background blurry... (I can blur the background in Photoshop - BUT I can't bring it back to its original 'real state').. Some people find the greater depth of field in a compact camera annoying. There are many times that you DO want to blur the background so that it doesnt draw attention away from the subject. This is sometimes hard to do in a compact camera. Sure you can do it in software, but that's extra work, and some of us hate mucking around with post-processing. The Olympus E10 had a slightly larger chip than 'norm' and so I got the best of both worlds - a sharp / full depth picture of superb quality from a camera that was for all intents and purposes a SLR... The Canon 300D can take super pictures but you can't always guarantee a true depth of field (depends on available light / shutter speed and type of lens being used...) - it's more frustrating to me than enjoyable knowing that some pics just aren't what you really wanted... Simple, instead of running it on full auto, use aperture priority. If you want to have more depth of field, dial up a smaller aperture - F11 or more. If you want to blur the background, dial up a larger aperture - F5.6 or less. If you don't understand aperture, depth of field, and the like, then maybe an SLR camera isn't the right choice for you. |
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SLR's ..... frustrating ?
Like Mick said you need to learn.
ex. out of focus background might be known as "bokeh". "advid" wrote in message om... ... i've recently 'upgraded' from an Olympus E10 to a Canon300d and now find that this 'out of focus' background ' restricted depth of field to be annoying.... With a pocket digital or 'point and shootcompact ' the smaller chip in the camera gives a far deeper depth of field.. To me this is what photography is all about... to capture that scene/ moment/ person/event AS My EYES SEE It... NOT to have the foregound or subject in focus and the background blurry... (I can blur the background in Photoshop - BUT I can't bring it back to its original 'real state').. The Olympus E10 had a slightly larger chip than 'norm' and so I got the best of both worlds - a sharp / full depth picture of superb quality from a camera that was for all intents and purposes a SLR... The Canon 300D can take super pictures but you can't always guarantee a true depth of field (depends on available light / shutter speed and type of lens being used...) - it's more frustrating to me than enjoyable knowing that some pics just aren't what you really wanted... |
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...... thanks for your comments BUT ---- I do understand exposure/depth of
field/shutter speed settings.... In fact I mainly shoot on Full Manual "M" on the 300d because I can set both depth of field and exposure times... If you go out with the wrong lens on and want to take a shot there sometimes isn't enough light (or time) available (I'm in England - where we get a lot of dark gloomy days for a lot of the time - even in summer :-).... example 1 : a bird shot - you need a fast shutter to stop the bird movement (250th sec)- zoom in to 200/300 to get close - NOT enough light - slow down the shutter speed - camera shake - blurry bird or total blurry picture... OR usually - BIRD GONE - never to be seen again..... Next - move on - a beautiful landscape scene - want full depth of field - put Aperture to f11 or hopefully greater - again - not enough light - oops - no tripod - oh well - I'll do my best on this old farm gate.... To make me even more frustrated - I've just brought the wife a little Kyocera M410 (4 mp -10x zoom - 3.5 fps ) it focuses and locks on to anything in an instant.. superb exposures - spot on colour - in fact it puts my SLR pics to shame - even after tweaking in Photoshop . PLUS it gives a FULL DEPTH OF FIELD that can be blurred ' boked' - if I want.... If not then I get a fully exposed landscape or bird pic that looks good straight out of the camera.... That to me is REAL photography - 'capturing the moment'.... Don't get me too wrong - I love tweaking in Photoshop and getting my prints looking good - it's just that I think all this lens swapping/tripod lugging/ camera back packing is not to me what photography is all about.... I want a camera that does it all - the Olympus E10 was good (but not enough zoom) the Canon 300d takes good pics but you need an arsenal of 'extras' to make it work - the little Kyocera 'almost' fits in a pocket and is ready to go in an instant - AND the wife loves it......and she now takes better pictures than me ......can't get any better than that - a happy wife - interested in photography ? - ....... or can you.... ?? :-) "YoYo" your.business.com wrote in message ... Like Mick said you need to learn. ex. out of focus background might be known as "bokeh". "advid" wrote in message om... ... i've recently 'upgraded' from an Olympus E10 to a Canon300d and now find that this 'out of focus' background ' restricted depth of field to be annoying.... With a pocket digital or 'point and shootcompact ' the smaller chip in the camera gives a far deeper depth of field.. To me this is what photography is all about... to capture that scene/ moment/ person/event AS My EYES SEE It... NOT to have the foregound or subject in focus and the background blurry... (I can blur the background in Photoshop - BUT I can't bring it back to its original 'real state').. The Olympus E10 had a slightly larger chip than 'norm' and so I got the best of both worlds - a sharp / full depth picture of superb quality from a camera that was for all intents and purposes a SLR... The Canon 300D can take super pictures but you can't always guarantee a true depth of field (depends on available light / shutter speed and type of lens being used...) - it's more frustrating to me than enjoyable knowing that some pics just aren't what you really wanted... |
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SLR's ..... frustrating ?
"advid" wrote in message
om... ... i've recently 'upgraded' from an Olympus E10 to a Canon300d and now find that this 'out of focus' background ' restricted depth of field to be annoying.... With a pocket digital or 'point and shootcompact ' the smaller chip in the camera gives a far deeper depth of field.. To me this is what photography is all about... to capture that scene/ moment/ person/event AS My EYES SEE It... NOT to have the foregound or subject in focus and the background blurry... (I can blur the background in Photoshop - BUT I can't bring it back to its original 'real state').. The Olympus E10 had a slightly larger chip than 'norm' and so I got the best of both worlds - a sharp / full depth picture of superb quality from a camera that was for all intents and purposes a SLR... The Canon 300D can take super pictures but you can't always guarantee a true depth of field (depends on available light / shutter speed and type of lens being used...) - it's more frustrating to me than enjoyable knowing that some pics just aren't what you really wanted... Larger sensor = less depth of field, that's just the way it is. Larger sensor also means higher quality pics, particularly at higher ISO (less noise). Use Av mode and choose a smaller aperture (larger f-stop). Persoanlly, I don't find it frustrating - just the opposite - most photographers like the ability to blur the background particularly with portraits (so you don't draw attention away from the subject). Mark |
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...... Yes ----- I think you're probably right....... DULL but RELIABLE....
that just about sums up my photography.... BUT that's exactly what I'm trying to capture..... the world as I SEE IT --- I take pics of just about everything/everyone/places/faces/abstract/macro etc ----- I want to look at these pics later (days/weeks/months/years later) and say - Yeah - that's how I remember it.... NOT - ..... ''what a lovely bokeh you got one that one mate--- you must be a 'real photographer...! OR... .......''couldn't you have increased your depth of field on that one mate- would have been a much better pic...'' NO ...... i'll stick to dull and reliable - no matter what camera I use from now on...... Well, you have 2 choices: 1. Trade back down to a P&S. 2. Spend lots of time visiting and studying the sites of Real Photographers and see how they use narrow DOF to emphasise and highlight what they want the viewers to focus their attention on. Complaining about "poor" DOF is like complaining that a Porche is too hard to handle and you preferred the old Ford. Perfectly OK if your ambition is simply to get from A to B in a dull but reliable way, or in the case of photography, if you simply want to record a scene in a dull but reliable way. |
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SLR's ..... frustrating ?
"Advid" wrote in message
... ..... thanks for your comments BUT ---- I do understand exposure/depth of field/shutter speed settings.... In fact I mainly shoot on Full Manual "M" on the 300d because I can set both depth of field and exposure times... If you go out with the wrong lens on and want to take a shot there sometimes isn't enough light (or time) available (I'm in England - where we get a lot of dark gloomy days for a lot of the time - even in summer :-).... example 1 : a bird shot - you need a fast shutter to stop the bird movement (250th sec)- zoom in to 200/300 to get close - NOT enough light - slow down the shutter speed - camera shake - blurry bird or total blurry picture... OR usually - BIRD GONE - never to be seen again..... Next - move on - a beautiful landscape scene - want full depth of field - put Aperture to f11 or hopefully greater - again - not enough light - oops - no tripod - oh well - I'll do my best on this old farm gate.... To make me even more frustrated - I've just brought the wife a little Kyocera M410 (4 mp -10x zoom - 3.5 fps ) it focuses and locks on to anything in an instant.. superb exposures - spot on colour - in fact it puts my SLR pics to shame - even after tweaking in Photoshop . PLUS it gives a FULL DEPTH OF FIELD that can be blurred ' boked' - if I want.... If not then I get a fully exposed landscape or bird pic that looks good straight out of the camera.... That to me is REAL photography - 'capturing the moment'.... Don't get me too wrong - I love tweaking in Photoshop and getting my prints looking good - it's just that I think all this lens swapping/tripod lugging/ camera back packing is not to me what photography is all about.... I want a camera that does it all - the Olympus E10 was good (but not enough zoom) the Canon 300d takes good pics but you need an arsenal of 'extras' to make it work - the little Kyocera 'almost' fits in a pocket and is ready to go in an instant - AND the wife loves it......and she now takes better pictures than me .....can't get any better than that - a happy wife - interested in photography ? - ...... or can you.... ?? :-) Well it sounds like you'd be happy going back to a portable digicam. Check out the 8x to 10x zoom cams. Personally, I've found just the opposite in regards to image quality - even the D30 is way better than any compact I've used. Mark |
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