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Old January 19th 04, 02:37 PM
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Hello all,

Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour?

Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax. My
girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded
to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression. All
I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!! Part of me thinks
that this would be less of a problem with a stranger .... is this generally
the case? Comments anyone?

I have also been asked if I could take some tasteful nudes of a pregnant
lady. Any tips would be appreciated.








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Old January 20th 04, 03:55 AM
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Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour?


I don't know about a site, but the Perrins used to have a decent book on
boudoir photography. but a good pose for a model is a good pose with or
w/o clothes. IE: look at most greek or roman statuary, and old masters
paintings with a nude.

do a search for Joseph Zeltsman who has some old tutorials about posing and
a system of deciding how and why to pose and light specific faces, its not a
bunch of rules but a systematic decision tree.

Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax.


A. talk to them not your camera. you should be familiar enough with your
gear and what you are trying to do that you can keep up a running
conversation while doing what you are trying to do. If you are
inexperienced then its hard to do.

b. use feed back, in my film days I used a lot of polaroid, shoot one, show
it, discuss it, make suggestions, let them make suggestions. shoot another,
show it. and this draws the subject into the creative process, makes them a
partner in the creation of the image, they are not just a piece of meat to
be prodded but a participant. and for commissioned portraits, this makes
them far more willing to invest in it.


My
girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded
to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression.

All
I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!!


frankly shooting your own is the hardest subjects in the world. it really
is difficult. I think that was one of the few times my ex gf and I ever had
a screaming fight, another gf was a 'psychic' blinker well over 2/3rds of
all shots were blinks, and I was damn good at dealing with blinkers,
anticipating and waiting to shoot after a blink, hidding my trigger finger
etc. My brother always had this bizarre expression of someone about to
hurl.



Part of me thinks
that this would be less of a problem with a stranger .... is this

generally
the case? Comments anyone?

I have also been asked if I could take some tasteful nudes of a pregnant
lady. Any tips would be appreciated.


soft side lighting, remember you are lighting spherical shapes, loose clingy
fabrics

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Old February 3rd 04, 03:51 AM
Lionel
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Kibo informs me that "zeitgeist" stated that:

do a search for Joseph Zeltsman who has some old tutorials about posing and
a system of deciding how and why to pose and light specific faces, its not a
bunch of rules but a systematic decision tree.


His website is great! - I checked it out after someone here recommended
it a while back, & I found it a wealth of really good advice.

Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax.


A. talk to them not your camera. you should be familiar enough with your
gear and what you are trying to do that you can keep up a running
conversation while doing what you are trying to do. If you are
inexperienced then its hard to do.


nods

What I find works well is to start off just chatting to them while
taking some test shots, then start making *positive* comments on their
pose/look as you pose them. "Oh yes! - Your smile's perfect, keep on
doing that!", "Great! - That angle really shows off those gorgeous
eyes!" etc. Every woman looks more attractive with a happy, confident
smile, so if you can make her happy & confident, you both end up with
better photos.

Most of their initial nervousness (at least, with the amateurs I shoot),
is because they think that you (or the camera) will be showing up all
the flaws that they're trying to conceal from the world. Sometimes
(depends on the person), it can be helpful to explain to them in advance
that even the best models have flaws, & that it's the job of the
photographer to 'conceal' them, or even to turn them into assets.

My
girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded
to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression.

All
I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!!


If it makes you feel any better, my GF is very camera shy, despite being
extremely attractive. When we first met, she'd hide if I got out a
camera. It's nearly a year later, & she's much less shy about it. I have
a pet theory that now that she's seen me taking photos of other girls,
she's gaining confidence she can trust my judgement as to her best
angle, etc.

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Old February 3rd 04, 07:11 PM
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I got lots of advice on my fine art photography site at...

http://www.looknseephoto.com

Warning: my site features fine art B&W photography. Take a look at
the FAQs -- there's lots of information there. And I typically
include a running commentary about the sitting itself on the pages
that display the photographs.

My bottom line is that if your model is posing, you've already lost
half the battle. I like to engage the model in conversation. If I
want them to look thoughtful, I give them something to think about.
If I want them to smile, I say something sweet or funny.

And when all else fails, give the model something to do with their
hands.

Enjoy.


On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:51:28 +1100, Lionel wrote:

Kibo informs me that "zeitgeist" stated that:

do a search for Joseph Zeltsman who has some old tutorials about posing and
a system of deciding how and why to pose and light specific faces, its not a
bunch of rules but a systematic decision tree.


His website is great! - I checked it out after someone here recommended
it a while back, & I found it a wealth of really good advice.

Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax.


A. talk to them not your camera. you should be familiar enough with your
gear and what you are trying to do that you can keep up a running
conversation while doing what you are trying to do. If you are
inexperienced then its hard to do.


nods

What I find works well is to start off just chatting to them while
taking some test shots, then start making *positive* comments on their
pose/look as you pose them. "Oh yes! - Your smile's perfect, keep on
doing that!", "Great! - That angle really shows off those gorgeous
eyes!" etc. Every woman looks more attractive with a happy, confident
smile, so if you can make her happy & confident, you both end up with
better photos.

Most of their initial nervousness (at least, with the amateurs I shoot),
is because they think that you (or the camera) will be showing up all
the flaws that they're trying to conceal from the world. Sometimes
(depends on the person), it can be helpful to explain to them in advance
that even the best models have flaws, & that it's the job of the
photographer to 'conceal' them, or even to turn them into assets.

My
girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded
to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression.

All
I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!!


If it makes you feel any better, my GF is very camera shy, despite being
extremely attractive. When we first met, she'd hide if I got out a
camera. It's nearly a year later, & she's much less shy about it. I have
a pet theory that now that she's seen me taking photos of other girls,
she's gaining confidence she can trust my judgement as to her best
angle, etc.


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Old February 4th 04, 02:07 PM
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"This Guy Here" (put a "." between the "x" & the
"n") wrote in message ...
I got lots of advice on my fine art photography site at...

http://www.looknseephoto.com


Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

Warning: my site features fine art B&W photography. Take a look at
the FAQs -- there's lots of information there. And I typically
include a running commentary about the sitting itself on the pages
that display the photographs.

My bottom line is that if your model is posing, you've already lost
half the battle.


I haven't had chance to look at your site yet, but this can't always be
true. You simply have to pose a model to get the shots you want. If you just
tell them to do what they feel like, you will get the results that THEY
want, or worse still they will stand there and say "What should I do". Like
I said though, I haven't looked at your site yet (work might not be pleased)
so I'll understand better how you shoot later.

I like to engage the model in conversation. If I
want them to look thoughtful, I give them something to think about.
If I want them to smile, I say something sweet or funny.

And when all else fails, give the model something to do with their
hands.


Yep, the art of conversation This is what I find hardest about posing the
other half. She's already heard all my old jokes, I already know where she
went on holiday, what things she is into etc. I don''t think talking about
the bills or what to watch on telly will cut it



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Old February 4th 04, 08:19 PM
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:07:38 +0000 (UTC), "Enter Your Full Name"
wrote:

"This Guy Here" (put a "." between the "x" & the
"n") wrote in message ...
I got lots of advice on my fine art photography site at...

http://www.looknseephoto.com

snip

My bottom line is that if your model is posing, you've already lost
half the battle.


I haven't had chance to look at your site yet, but this can't always be
true. You simply have to pose a model to get the shots you want.


snip

Okay, I spoke hastily & uncleanly. To me, what separates good models
from poor models is usually not their looks, it's their confidence,
their attitude, their animation. I've had the pleasure of working
with dozens of models, of varying ranges in terms of experience and in
terms of ability. The new, low-ability ones are challenging. I tend
to tell them not to strike a specific pose; rather, I give them some
parameters, like "Sit on this table & how me what you look like when
you twist around".

Inexperienced models can easily feel uncomfortable, and when
uncomfortable, people tend to look awkward and, well, uncomfortable.
To combat this, give the model something to do. You are talking about
glamour photography, so try things like having them talk on the phone
(to a real friend, telling him/her about what's going on while it is
going on), or watering the garden, or torturing the cat. If it were
me, I'd might want to introduce an element of whimsy, like seeing a
naked model ironing clothing or making the bed or decorating the cake.
Some things I have done -- having a model lose pieces of clothing
while playing with a hula hoop, or showing a series of photographs of
a model who is having a very bad day at strip poker.

Put it this way -- finding things to occupy the model is a key element
of YOUR creative process.
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Old January 20th 04, 08:23 AM
Michael Quack
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In article ,
Enter Your Full Name says...

Hello all,


Hello Enter,

Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour?


Don't know any and don't think that such an animal can exist.
Trying to copy a pose instead of shaping one matching the
features of your model is almost guaranteed to fail.

Show what you like and feel flattering, don't show the rest.

Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a
model to relax.


You have to know what you are doing. If your technique/gear
is a challenge to you, you are likely to fail. Only after
completely mastering the whole technique you are using
you can concentrate on the subject. Else you will always
be distracted by challenges and lose your concentration.

My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots
of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't
get her to make an alluring facial expression. All
I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!!


And for how long have you been in photography?
She realized you were possibly not doing a perfect
job. You have to perform the technical part
like an instinct, then you are free to work with
your model like a film director, describe the
environment and mood she should feel like in.

If you can fuel her imagination (and don't fumble
around with your camera looking puzzled so much),
she might be able to follow that lead.

Part of me thinks that this would be less of
a problem with a stranger .... is this generally
the case?


Often.

I have also been asked if I could take some
tasteful nudes of a pregnant lady.


Yeah, the old cliché. The general consensus among
pregnancy picture fans seems to be that Anne Geddes
does well in that sector.

Visit her site to get an impression.

--
Michael Quack

http://www.photoquack.de/glamour/1.htm
http://www.photoquack.de/fashion/1.htm
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Old January 20th 04, 09:27 AM
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Thanks Michael and zeitgeist.

It's true that I don't know my equipment inside out - I probably spend too
much time looking at the preview screen to check the lighting which doesn't
help - maybe if I move the model less in relation to the lighting I can
start ignoring it a bit. Its all a learning experience. Maybe an audible
exposure warning would be a good addition to DSLRs for fools like me

Problem is that you have to get practice to get good - vicious circles and
all that. Who is going to want to pose for a bumbling fool like me except my
other half


"Michael Quack" wrote in message
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In article ,
Enter Your Full Name says...

Hello all,


Hello Enter,

Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour?


Don't know any and don't think that such an animal can exist.
Trying to copy a pose instead of shaping one matching the
features of your model is almost guaranteed to fail.

Show what you like and feel flattering, don't show the rest.

Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a
model to relax.


You have to know what you are doing. If your technique/gear
is a challenge to you, you are likely to fail. Only after
completely mastering the whole technique you are using
you can concentrate on the subject. Else you will always
be distracted by challenges and lose your concentration.

My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots
of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't
get her to make an alluring facial expression. All
I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!!


And for how long have you been in photography?
She realized you were possibly not doing a perfect
job. You have to perform the technical part
like an instinct, then you are free to work with
your model like a film director, describe the
environment and mood she should feel like in.

If you can fuel her imagination (and don't fumble
around with your camera looking puzzled so much),
she might be able to follow that lead.

Part of me thinks that this would be less of
a problem with a stranger .... is this generally
the case?


Often.

I have also been asked if I could take some
tasteful nudes of a pregnant lady.


Yeah, the old cliché. The general consensus among
pregnancy picture fans seems to be that Anne Geddes
does well in that sector.

Visit her site to get an impression.

--
Michael Quack

http://www.photoquack.de/glamour/1.htm
http://www.photoquack.de/fashion/1.htm



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Old January 20th 04, 04:54 PM
otzi
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-It is said that you don't do business with friends and relatives. Well, the
same applies to photography, the serious stuff anyway. Your or any girl
friend tends to 'help out' rather than take it seriously. She's doing you a
favour so when you go beyond the snap phase and there is a degree of effort
required she will soon become bored unless of course she is as dedicated to
the photographic art as yourself. You will find this across the board.

This then leads into the other dilemma, with a girl friend at foot you will
find considerable opposition to the use of some other girl. It's a female
thing. Brother, you're in a jamb. About the only way to (safely) freely
photograph women is to be already doing this when you meet and the 'friend'
can either accept or reject you. To them it seems different, don't ask me,
it's a female thing.

Of course to have the friend be party to the creative process in some way so
long as her baggage and ideologies don't conflict with yourself is the best
way to travel.


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Old January 21st 04, 06:23 PM
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"otzi" wrote in message u...
-It is said that you don't do business with friends and relatives. Well, the
same applies to photography, the serious stuff anyway. Your or any girl
friend tends to 'help out' rather than take it seriously. She's doing you a
favour so when you go beyond the snap phase and there is a degree of effort
required she will soon become bored unless of course she is as dedicated to
the photographic art as yourself. You will find this across the board.

This then leads into the other dilemma, with a girl friend at foot you will
find considerable opposition to the use of some other girl. It's a female
thing. Brother, you're in a jamb. About the only way to (safely) freely
photograph women is to be already doing this when you meet and the 'friend'
can either accept or reject you. To them it seems different, don't ask me,
it's a female thing.

Of course to have the friend be party to the creative process in some way so
long as her baggage and ideologies don't conflict with yourself is the best
way to travel.


 




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