Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs?

On Wed, 10 May 2017 18:13:24 -0400, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones
which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing
sensor area at the cost of needing more processing.

the future of photography is computational photography.

I was going to point that out but you beat me to it. Except I wouldn't
have called it computational photography.

what would you have called it?

the industry is calling it computational photography.

I was thinking of things
like

https://www.rambus.com/blogs/solid-s...ghts-lensless-
smart-sensors-2/
or http://tinyurl.com/mvl5zxu
Is this the kind of thing you were referring to?

no.

plenoptics is one example, first seen in the lytro:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-field_camera

another is what the iphone 7+ camera does, modeling a shallow depth of
field using two lenses of different focal lengths.

I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

newshound:
To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones
which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect)...

Perhaps a dragonfly
https://astronomynow.com/2015/05/26/...ye-reveals-ver
y-faint-galaxy-structure/

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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.

lenses aren't going away any time soon.

On Wed, 10 May 2017 22:16:33 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.

lenses aren't going away any time soon.

I'm glad we seem to be in agreement but remember Kodak's attitude to
digital photography.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.

lenses aren't going away any time soon.

I'm glad we seem to be in agreement but remember Kodak's attitude to
digital photography.

kodak's attitude was that digital would replace film, and they were
exactly correct.

what they got wrong was how fast it was going to happen.

a lot of people make that same mistake about technology.

On 5/10/2017 8:45 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2017 22:16:33 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.

lenses aren't going away any time soon.

I'm glad we seem to be in agreement but remember Kodak's attitude to
digital photography.

Talk to some professionals. The need for interchangeable lenses has
diminished with cameras like the Fuji X100. It obviously isn't for
sports photographers than need the Canon BWLs (big white lenses) but
it's a fine alternative to lugging around an SLR and more lenses than
you're likely to need.

The comparison to Apple is rather amusing.
http://www.cultofmac.com/222236/fujifilm-x100-is-the-best-digital-camera-i-have-ever-used-review/

On 2017-05-11 04:34:00 +0000, sms said:

On 5/10/2017 8:45 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2017 22:16:33 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.

lenses aren't going away any time soon.

I'm glad we seem to be in agreement but remember Kodak's attitude to
digital photography.

Talk to some professionals. The need for interchangeable lenses has
diminished with cameras like the Fuji X100. It obviously isn't for
sports photographers than need the Canon BWLs (big white lenses) but
it's a fine alternative to lugging around an SLR and more lenses than
you're likely to need.

The comparison to Apple is rather amusing.
http://www.cultofmac.com/222236/fujifilm-x100-is-the-best-digital-camera-i-have-ever-used-review/

....and

that was written in 2013.
The new X100F is leaps and bounds, a far superior camera to the
original X100, and now Fujifilm has also given us the X-Pro2 and X-T2.

http://findingrange.com/2017/05/03/fujifilm-x100f-mirrorless-camera-review/

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Regards,

Savageduck

Whiskers wrote:
newshound wrote:
Before 35 mm film became ubiquitous, "folding" cameras using 120 film
were widely used by the enthusiastic amateur. I suppose I could just
about visualise a similar arrangement in a mobile phone, allowing
something like an FF sensor together with a modern pancake lens.

Or a mobile phone with a 6x9cm sensor on the back, behind a 'dark
slide', along with a separate box containing a prime 10cm lens with a
silk bellows and a slide-holder (what used to be called 'a camera', in
fact).

Excellent idea: a mocam. 3D-print your own one.

-p

On Wed, 10 May 2017 23:49:10 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.

lenses aren't going away any time soon.

I'm glad we seem to be in agreement but remember Kodak's attitude to
digital photography.

kodak's attitude was that digital would replace film, and they were
exactly correct.

what they got wrong was how fast it was going to happen.

a lot of people make that same mistake about technology.

That's exactly what I was saying about lenses, or did you already
realise that?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 10 May 2017 23:49:10 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I think the writing is on the wall for lenses, although it will be a
good few years yet.

lenses aren't going away any time soon.

I'm glad we seem to be in agreement but remember Kodak's attitude to
digital photography.

kodak's attitude was that digital would replace film, and they were
exactly correct.

what they got wrong was how fast it was going to happen.

a lot of people make that same mistake about technology.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make about lenses.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens