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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs?
In article , Tomos Davies
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR ofSLRs?
On 5/10/2017 4:05 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Tomos Davies wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs?
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newshound wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. that's where the add-on cameras come into play but trollboi has rejected those. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. yep. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. there is nothing improper about a cellphone camera. it just brings compromises due to its size. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. the future of photography is computational photography. |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR ofSLRs?
On 5/10/2017 4:21 PM, newshound wrote:
On 5/10/2017 4:05 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Tomos Davies wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. Before 35 mm film became ubiquitous, "folding" cameras using 120 film were widely used by the enthusiastic amateur. I suppose I could just about visualise a similar arrangement in a mobile phone, allowing something like an FF sensor together with a modern pancake lens. |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs?
On 2017-05-10 15:25:28 +0000, newshound said:
On 5/10/2017 4:21 PM, newshound wrote: On 5/10/2017 4:05 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Tomos Davies wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. Before 35 mm film became ubiquitous, "folding" cameras using 120 film were widely used by the enthusiastic amateur. I suppose I could just about visualise a similar arrangement in a mobile phone, allowing something like an FF sensor together with a modern pancake lens. Right now the best you are going to do with an iPhone is the DxO-One, but that is an add-on which can also function as a stand-alone. http://www.dxo.com/us/dxo-one -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR ofSLRs?
On 2017-05-10, newshound wrote:
On 5/10/2017 4:21 PM, newshound wrote: On 5/10/2017 4:05 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Tomos Davies wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. Before 35 mm film became ubiquitous, "folding" cameras using 120 film were widely used by the enthusiastic amateur. I suppose I could just about visualise a similar arrangement in a mobile phone, allowing something like an FF sensor together with a modern pancake lens. Or a mobile phone with a 6x9cm sensor on the back, behind a 'dark slide', along with a separate box containing a prime 10cm lens with a silk bellows and a slide-holder (what used to be called 'a camera', in fact). Could even accommodate proper 'movements' if the lens was up to it. You'd still need a decent tripod though. And probably a shutter. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR ofSLRs?
On 5/10/2017 12:46 PM, Whiskers wrote:
On 2017-05-10, newshound wrote: On 5/10/2017 4:21 PM, newshound wrote: On 5/10/2017 4:05 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Tomos Davies wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. Before 35 mm film became ubiquitous, "folding" cameras using 120 film were widely used by the enthusiastic amateur. I suppose I could just about visualise a similar arrangement in a mobile phone, allowing something like an FF sensor together with a modern pancake lens. Or a mobile phone with a 6x9cm sensor on the back, behind a 'dark slide', along with a separate box containing a prime 10cm lens with a silk bellows and a slide-holder (what used to be called 'a camera', in fact). Could even accommodate proper 'movements' if the lens was up to it. You'd still need a decent tripod though. And probably a shutter. You forgot to include a Sherpa to carry it around. -- PeterN |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs?
On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:23:38 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , newshound wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. that's where the add-on cameras come into play but trollboi has rejected those. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. yep. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. there is nothing improper about a cellphone camera. it just brings compromises due to its size. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. the future of photography is computational photography. I was going to point that out but you beat me to it. Except I wouldn't have called it computational photography. I was thinking of things like https://www.rambus.com/blogs/solid-s...art-sensors-2/ or http://tinyurl.com/mvl5zxu Is this the kind of thing you were referring to? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. the future of photography is computational photography. I was going to point that out but you beat me to it. Except I wouldn't have called it computational photography. what would you have called it? the industry is calling it computational photography. I was thinking of things like https://www.rambus.com/blogs/solid-s...ghts-lensless- smart-sensors-2/ or http://tinyurl.com/mvl5zxu Is this the kind of thing you were referring to? no. plenoptics is one example, first seen in the lytro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-field_camera another is what the iphone 7+ camera does, modeling a shallow depth of field using two lenses of different focal lengths. |
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Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR ofSLRs?
On 2017-05-10, PeterN wrote:
On 5/10/2017 12:46 PM, Whiskers wrote: On 2017-05-10, newshound wrote: On 5/10/2017 4:21 PM, newshound wrote: On 5/10/2017 4:05 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Tomos Davies wrote: Why will mobile device cameras probably never have the QOR of SLRs? physics To be more helpful, depth is one parameter. Unless people start accepting phones an inch or two thick again, they are only going to have tiny sensors. A bigger sensor is going to out-perform both on resolution and on noise. A proper camera geometry gives you more scope for zoom and/or interchangeable lenses. To deal with the sensor size factor, I suppose I could envisage phones which one day have multiple lenses (like an insect), thus increasing sensor area at the cost of needing more processing. Before 35 mm film became ubiquitous, "folding" cameras using 120 film were widely used by the enthusiastic amateur. I suppose I could just about visualise a similar arrangement in a mobile phone, allowing something like an FF sensor together with a modern pancake lens. Or a mobile phone with a 6x9cm sensor on the back, behind a 'dark slide', along with a separate box containing a prime 10cm lens with a silk bellows and a slide-holder (what used to be called 'a camera', in fact). Could even accommodate proper 'movements' if the lens was up to it. You'd still need a decent tripod though. And probably a shutter. You forgot to include a Sherpa to carry it around. grumble young people these days ... /grumble -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ |
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