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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
On 2017-04-25 19:02:36 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
In article 201704250912162196-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck says... So an idea use for a mirrorless camera but I have one of those and where as a DLSR will have a mirror making the noise my canon EOS M3 has the sensor flapping up and down making all the noise. (unless I switch to video mode) What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon. To solve the problem of the swinging sensor we have to wait for the next generation of sensorless cameras :-) I guess that would make it the ultimate action camera. ;-) -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
On 4/21/2017 5:26 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-04-21 03:26:08 +0000, Davoud said: Alfred Molon: This is what micro 4/3 is capable of at the moment: http://www.molon.de/images/P4173139.jpg Taken with the Olympus E-M1 II and the 12-100 lens. Uh, OK, looks good, but do people really go around shooting at ISO 3200? If so, why, outside of astrophotography? Shooting high ISO is just another creative option, especially with newer sensors. While it is optimal to shoot at native ISO there are definitely times when higher ISO is desirable. Remember there are folks who shoot genres other than astrophotography, or macro photography of insects. Today many cameras perform well in low light at ISO 3200, 6400, and to 12800 and beyond. You will find that a new trend is to use Auto-ISO with a base ISO, a minimum shutter speed, and max ISO set. Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Fujifilm and others all have this feature, and it works well. I use it all depending on circumstances; fixed ISO, (native and selected sub-native, medium, and high), and three different Auto-ISO set-ups. +1 I also tend to use auto white balance by default on the X-E1 (except for sunrise / sunset etc of course). Prior to that (film mind-set, I suppose) I would normally select from sunny / shady / tungsten / fluorescent settings. Wouldn't claim any special merit for this, just a family snap with available light, mostly daylight but some artificial. Also with my common default of + 2/3 stop. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
On 4/23/2017 2:09 PM, Noons wrote:
On 23/04/2017 4:48 @wiz, Alfred Molon wrote: In article , Noons says... With my EM5, I've used up to 1/250 on an adapted Sigma 500mm/8 mirror lens with up to 3200ISO with relatively good results for Saturn and Jupiter. With the moon I've used high ISO to crank up the shutter speed and take 40Mpixel shots with the sensor shifting multiple exposure. Now I'm curious. Have you posted your images somewhere, so that we could have a look at them? No, sorry. I don't post large images anywhere anymore. Had enough of the bull**** that goes on online with copying of images and using them without authorization. When some idiot stole one of my images in Gurushots and messed it up in Photoshop to enter a competition, I drew the line... I have some small ones in Facebook. The album is open to public and you can have a peek there. Excuse the Portuguese in some of the comments. I've added info on how each shot was made for most shots and what they are of. Bear in mind I'm in Australia so the Moon is upside down! They are a bit old (around 2 years) and very small, but should be enough to give you an idea of what's possible with simple gear. https://www.facebook.com/nuno.pintod...7241591&type=3 I *love* your sword of Orion shots! I really ought to try this myself. |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
Davoud:
I shoot between ISO 100 and 200. Not enough light? That's what off-camera flashes are for https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33738820160/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/33278813924. Whisky-dave: While yuo say yuo shoot between 100-200 why are both the images you posted as some sort of proof both been shot at 400 ? [sic] Because I'm not locked into any dogmas. I *usually* shoot at ISO 100-200, but I do what is necessary to get the photos that I want. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
Alfred Molon:
To solve the problem of the swinging sensor we have to wait for the next generation of sensorless cameras :-) That will be a major advance. I foresee a strip of plastic, coated with a film of appropriate chemicals, moving past the shutter in relative silence. The photographer would pause this process long enough to expose the "film" to light. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 21:47:46 -0400, Davoud wrote: Alfred Molon: To solve the problem of the swinging sensor we have to wait for the next generation of sensorless cameras :-) That will be a major advance. I foresee a strip of plastic, coated with a film of appropriate chemicals, moving past the shutter in relative silence. The photographer would pause this process long enough to expose the "film" to light. Will the strip of plastic be passed in front of a pinhole? It's usually positioned to be illuminated on the backside of it. Anything else would be backwards! :-ppp -- teleportation kills |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
On 2017-04-26 10:16:34 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:12:31 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 15:56:05 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:48:44 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote: On 25/04/2017 11:07, Whisky-dave wrote: [] Have you ever tried gig photogrpahy or some sports photography, I was watching the snooker last night [] Snooker - an event where the clatter of a flapping mirror isn't appreciated, and might even get you thrown out. So an idea use for a mirrorless camera but I have one of those and where as a DLSR will have a mirror making the noise my canon EOS M3 has the sensor flapping up and down making all the noise. (unless I switch to video mode) What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon. Well whatever they call that shiney thing you can see your reflection in when you take the lens off, That "shiney thing" is the sensor you idiot. It seems you have no idea of construction of mirrorless cameras, even yours. or what makes the flapping noise or why can;t I see the image on the LCD during exposures in a M3. ? There is only the sound of the shutter. The simple version of why you can't see the image on the LCD during exposures is, LCD/VF blackout due to sensor/LCD/SD card write lag, and LCD refresh speed. There is much more to it than that, but you are the one who thinks there is something flapping in your M3, when there isn't, so it is best to keep it simple. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
On 2017-04-26 15:29:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
On Wednesday, 26 April 2017 15:20:09 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-26 10:16:34 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:12:31 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 15:56:05 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:48:44 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote: On 25/04/2017 11:07, Whisky-dave wrote: [] Have you ever tried gig photogrpahy or some sports photography, I was watching the snooker last night [] Snooker - an event where the clatter of a flapping mirror isn't appreciated, and might even get you thrown out. So an idea use for a mirrorless camera but I have one of those and where as a DLSR will have a mirror making the noise my canon EOS M3 has the sensor flapping up and down making all the noise. (unless I switch to video mode) What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon. Well whatever they call that shiney thing you can see your reflection in when you take the lens off, That "shiney thing" is the sensor you idiot. That what I said ! ....and that "shiney thing sensor" does not flap up and down. It doesn't move at all. Who's the ****ing idiot that asked sensor then ? Do you have a mirror handy? " What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon." It seems you have no idea of construction of mirrorless cameras, even yours. I do others don't. You have yet to present any evidence that you do. So who's the ****ing idiot ? It seems the idiot is the one in sheltered employment in London. or what makes the flapping noise or why can;t I see the image on the LCD during exposures in a M3. ? There is only the sound of the shutter. No there's the mechanical sound of the sensor or are yuo saying it doesn;t make a noise or that it doesn;t exist or move what is it this time ? The sensor doesn't make, or shouldn't make any noise. If it does you should get to Canon service ASAP. The sensor does not have IBIS, so it has no need to move at all. If it does you should get to Canon service ASAP. The simple version of why you can't see the image on the LCD during exposures is, LCD/VF blackout due to sensor/LCD/SD card write lag, and LCD refresh speed. There is much more to it than that, but you are the one who thinks there is something flapping in your M3, when there isn't, so it is best to keep it simple. So what is making the noise then ? You might have some sounds related to the AF servo hunting, and/or the activation of the mechanical shutter. If you are using a lens with OS, that might be adding to any sounds you are hearing. What you are not hearing is a flapping sensor. It is worth noting the M3 does not have a silent shooting mode. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
Savageduck Wrote in message:
On 2017-04-26 15:29:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Wednesday, 26 April 2017 15:20:09 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-26 10:16:34 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:12:31 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 15:56:05 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:48:44 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote: On 25/04/2017 11:07, Whisky-dave wrote: [] Have you ever tried gig photogrpahy or some sports photography, I was watching the snooker last night [] Snooker - an event where the clatter of a flapping mirror isn't appreciated, and might even get you thrown out. So an idea use for a mirrorless camera but I have one of those and where as a DLSR will have a mirror making the noise my canon EOS M3 has the sensor flapping up and down making all the noise. (unless I switch to video mode) What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon. Well whatever they call that shiney thing you can see your reflection in when you take the lens off, That "shiney thing" is the sensor you idiot. That what I said ! ...and that "shiney thing sensor" does not flap up and down. It doesn't move at all. Who's the ****ing idiot that asked sensor then ? Do you have a mirror handy? " What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon." It seems you have no idea of construction of mirrorless cameras, even yours. I do others don't. You have yet to present any evidence that you do. So who's the ****ing idiot ? It seems the idiot is the one in sheltered employment in London. or what makes the flapping noise or why can;t I see the image on the LCD during exposures in a M3. ? There is only the sound of the shutter. No there's the mechanical sound of the sensor or are yuo saying it doesn;t make a noise or that it doesn;t exist or move what is it this time ? The sensor doesn't make, or shouldn't make any noise. If it does you should get to Canon service ASAP. The sensor does not have IBIS, so it has no need to move at all. If it does you should get to Canon service ASAP. The simple version of why you can't see the image on the LCD during exposures is, LCD/VF blackout due to sensor/LCD/SD card write lag, and LCD refresh speed. There is much more to it than that, but you are the one who thinks there is something flapping in your M3, when there isn't, so it is best to keep it simple. So what is making the noise then ? You might have some sounds related to the AF servo hunting, and/or the activation of the mechanical shutter. If you are using a lens with OS, that might be adding to any sounds you are hearing. What you are not hearing is a flapping sensor. It is worth noting the M3 does not have a silent shooting mode. No. You'll have get at least the M4 for that. Don't know 'bout M5 'n 6... -- Bats can't tell us apart! ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Micro 4/3 at ISO 3200
In article 2017042609071397972-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says... On 2017-04-26 15:29:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Wednesday, 26 April 2017 15:20:09 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-26 10:16:34 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:12:31 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-04-25 15:56:05 +0000, Whisky-dave said: On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:48:44 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote: On 25/04/2017 11:07, Whisky-dave wrote: [] Have you ever tried gig photogrpahy or some sports photography, I was watching the snooker last night [] Snooker - an event where the clatter of a flapping mirror isn't appreciated, and might even get you thrown out. So an idea use for a mirrorless camera but I have one of those and where as a DLSR will have a mirror making the noise my canon EOS M3 has the sensor flapping up and down making all the noise. (unless I switch to video mode) What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon. Well whatever they call that shiney thing you can see your reflection in when you take the lens off, That "shiney thing" is the sensor you idiot. That what I said ! ...and that "shiney thing sensor" does not flap up and down. It doesn't move at all. Who's the ****ing idiot that asked sensor then ? Do you have a mirror handy? " What sensor flapping up and down? If it does, that would be a serious concern for Canon." It seems you have no idea of construction of mirrorless cameras, even yours. I do others don't. You have yet to present any evidence that you do. Now if nospam joined this discussion it would be perfect ;-) Where is nospam when you need him? -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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