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  #11  
Old January 18th 16, 03:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Sandman
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In article , Whisky-dave
wrote:

Savageduck:
Savageduck:
Start with a calibrated display.

Make whatever adjustments with the RAW processor to get close
without screwing up the entire image.

Open processed RAW in editor, in my case Photoshop. Add an HSL
adjustment layer with a layer mask, make the tweaks. Then with a
soft brush, paint in the adjustment where it is needed. The rest
of the image remains untouched.

Tony Cooper:
That's good in theory, but difficult in practice. Where trees are in
the horizon, there are numerous tiny patches of sky peeking through.
Not impossible, but difficult.


Sandman:
Photoshop has many tools to help you out there, such as color
selection, making masking such areas quite easy. I.e. a lot
easier than doing it by hand. -- Sandman


Suppose a computer programer wrote an algorighium to do this, would
that programmer then be considered an artist, photographer or a
computer programer ?


I fail to see how your question follows my statement above.

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  #12  
Old January 19th 16, 10:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:50:13 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Monday, 18 January 2016 14:37:52 UTC, Sandman wrote:
In article , Whisky-dave
wrote:

Savageduck:
Savageduck:
Start with a calibrated display.

Make whatever adjustments with the RAW processor to get close
without screwing up the entire image.

Open processed RAW in editor, in my case Photoshop. Add an HSL
adjustment layer with a layer mask, make the tweaks. Then with a
soft brush, paint in the adjustment where it is needed. The rest
of the image remains untouched.

Tony Cooper:
That's good in theory, but difficult in practice. Where trees are in
the horizon, there are numerous tiny patches of sky peeking through.
Not impossible, but difficult.

Sandman:
Photoshop has many tools to help you out there, such as color
selection, making masking such areas quite easy. I.e. a lot
easier than doing it by hand. -- Sandman

Suppose a computer programer wrote an algorighium to do this, would
that programmer then be considered an artist, photographer or a
computer programer ?


I fail to see how your question follows my statement above.


That doesn't suprise me.
I know there are lots of filters in photoshop and other plugins.
But if you have a photo and apply a water colour filter or an oil painting filter or set a canvas effect none of those options turn you into a painter.

My point is does using photoshop turn you into a photographer.
I know a few peole that use photoshop for design images but I don't consider them as photographers any ,more than I consider thosew very skilled peole that can do graphite drawing that look like photographs.

I do NOT consider those that use Bryce to be photographers either any more than I do wood carvers


What have you got against wood carvers? If a stone carver can be an
artist https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...R--7500387.jpg
why can't a person who does the same thing in wood be an artist?

.... or those that do embroidery, all can be considered an art though.

If a painter uses very thick paint and a chisel to remove dry paint to form the image are they a painetr or a scuplter.


Does that matter? The question is, are they an artist?

When a person downloads an image of say a beach, a train and Mars and edits them together to make a picture of a train going alone a beach on Mars is that person a photographer or a graphic artist or illustrator.

My point is that once you go beyond a certin level (and I'm not saying what that level is for everyone) in editing an image in photoshop then when does it cease to become a photo but a picture, image, or artistic interpretation.

And if you were observant you'd had noticed that in the above even SD ceases to call it a photo he says it's an image.
"paint in the adjustment where it is needed. The rest of the image remains untouched.

SO for me after a certain amount of manipulation the photographic image that was origianlly produced on the sensors is no longer a photo but a picture of image because the way it was formed was not primarily because of the way light acted on the original forms that existed when the 'photo' was taken.

You are changing the subject. You are no longer discussing 'what is an
artist' but 'what is a photograph'. The criteria are different.

Bit like the Norwegian Blue parrot. ;-)

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Eric Stevens
  #13  
Old January 19th 16, 11:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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On Jan 19, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:50:13 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Monday, 18 January 2016 14:37:52 UTC, Sandman wrote:
In ,
Whisky-dave
wrote:

Savageduck:
Savageduck:
Start with a calibrated display.

Make whatever adjustments with the RAW processor to get close
without screwing up the entire image.

Open processed RAW in editor, in my case Photoshop. Add an HSL
adjustment layer with a layer mask, make the tweaks. Then with a
soft brush, paint in the adjustment where it is needed. The rest
of the image remains untouched.

Tony Cooper:
That's good in theory, but difficult in practice. Where trees are

in
the horizon, there are numerous tiny patches of sky peeking

through.
Not impossible, but difficult.

Sandman:
Photoshop has many tools to help you out there, such as color
selection, making masking such areas quite easy. I.e. a lot
easier than doing it by hand. -- Sandman

Suppose a computer programer wrote an algorighium to do this, would
that programmer then be considered an artist, photographer or a
computer programer ?

I fail to see how your question follows my statement above.


That doesn't suprise me.
I know there are lots of filters in photoshop and other plugins.
But if you have a photo and apply a water colour filter or an oil painting
filter or set a canvas effect none of those options turn you into a

painter.

My point is does using photoshop turn you into a photographer.
I know a few peole that use photoshop for design images but I don't
consider them as photographers any ,more than I consider thosew very
skilled peole that can do graphite drawing that look like photographs.

I do NOT consider those that use Bryce to be photographers either any more
than I do wood carvers


What have you got against wood carvers? If a stone carver can be an
artist https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...R--7500387.jpg
why can't a person who does the same thing in wood be an artist?


Even the guy who carves wood with a chainsaw is an artist.
https://youtu.be/fyDaxzeFaRk

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Regards,
Savageduck

  #14  
Old January 21st 16, 04:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Default Purple cloud syndrome

On 1/21/2016 9:15 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 05:50:47 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:59:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 19, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:50:13 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Monday, 18 January 2016 14:37:52 UTC, Sandman wrote:
In ,
Whisky-dave
wrote:

Savageduck:
Savageduck:
Start with a calibrated display.

Make whatever adjustments with the RAW processor to get close
without screwing up the entire image.

Open processed RAW in editor, in my case Photoshop. Add an HSL
adjustment layer with a layer mask, make the tweaks. Then with a
soft brush, paint in the adjustment where it is needed. The rest
of the image remains untouched.

Tony Cooper:
That's good in theory, but difficult in practice. Where trees are
in
the horizon, there are numerous tiny patches of sky peeking
through.
Not impossible, but difficult.

Sandman:
Photoshop has many tools to help you out there, such as color
selection, making masking such areas quite easy. I.e. a lot
easier than doing it by hand. -- Sandman

Suppose a computer programer wrote an algorighium to do this, would
that programmer then be considered an artist, photographer or a
computer programer ?

I fail to see how your question follows my statement above.

That doesn't suprise me.
I know there are lots of filters in photoshop and other plugins.
But if you have a photo and apply a water colour filter or an oil painting
filter or set a canvas effect none of those options turn you into a
painter.

My point is does using photoshop turn you into a photographer.
I know a few peole that use photoshop for design images but I don't
consider them as photographers any ,more than I consider thosew very
skilled peole that can do graphite drawing that look like photographs.

I do NOT consider those that use Bryce to be photographers either any more
than I do wood carvers

What have you got against wood carvers? If a stone carver can be an
artist https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...R--7500387.jpg
why can't a person who does the same thing in wood be an artist?

Even the guy who carves wood with a chainsaw is an artist.
https://youtu.be/fyDaxzeFaRk


I didn't say he wasn't and someone that drinks a lot of alcohol in the UK is called a **** artist. So you see years ago I was an artist too.


I'd go with the other use of "**** artist" to describe you...a person
who frequently takes the ****. (And, I'm using the UK meaning for
"take the ****".)


In my younger days we would carve the ice cubes in the urinal with ****.
Were we ice sculpturers or **** artists.

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PeterN
  #15  
Old January 22nd 16, 02:31 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Sandman
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Default Purple cloud syndrome

In article , Whisky-dave
wrote:

Tony Cooper:
I'd go with the other use of "**** artist" to describe you...a
person who frequently takes the ****. (And, I'm using the UK
meaning for "take the ****".)


That's true, although prefer to be thought of as "exracting the
michael" as it's more refined in polite company :-)


I wonder what jonas makes of this ;-)


That spelling is hard when drunk. As always, ey?

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Sandman
  #16  
Old January 22nd 16, 03:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Sandman
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Posts: 5,467
Default Purple cloud syndrome

In article , Whisky-dave
wrote:

Tony Cooper:
I'd go with the other use of "**** artist" to describe you...a
person who frequently takes the ****. (And, I'm using the UK
meaning for "take the ****".)

Whisky-dave:
That's true, although prefer to be thought of as "exracting the
michael" as it's more refined in polite company :-)
I wonder what jonas makes of this ;-)


Sandman:
That spelling is hard when drunk. As always, ey?


What words are you having trouble reading and/or understanding ?


"exracting"

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Sandman
  #17  
Old January 22nd 16, 07:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Sandman
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Default Purple cloud syndrome

In article , Whisky-dave
wrote:

Tony Cooper:
I'd go with the other use of "**** artist" to
describe you...a person who frequently takes the ****.
(And, I'm using the UK meaning for "take the ****".)

Whisky-dave:
That's true, although prefer to be thought of as "exracting the
michael" as it's more refined in polite company :-)
I wonder what jonas makes of this ;-)

Sandman:
That spelling is hard when drunk. As always, ey?

Whisky-dave:
What words are you having trouble reading and/or understanding ?


Sandman:
"exracting"


Oh sorry about that yuo could have tried google if you couldn;t work
it out for yourself.


If I was to google every word you can't spell, Google would blow up.

About 22,200,000 results (0.53 seconds)


Actually, it's just one result. Apparently you're not (completely) alone:

https://www.google.se/search?
client=safari&rls=en&q=%22exracting+the+michael%22 &ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=-
XSiVuS7Mc60wAOvy4DABw#safe=off&q=%22exracting+the+ michael%22&nfpr=1

I know perfectly well what "*EXTRACTING* the Michael" means, or at least is
supposed to mean, seeing how it's usually used as "Taking the Michael", but hey
- this is just you being you, right?

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