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On 2014-04-23 21:07:01 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex
said: On 2014-04-23 04:35:35 +0000, Savageduck said: On 2014-04-23 02:33:27 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said: On 2014-04-23 00:18:28 +0000, Savageduck said: On 2014-04-22 23:27:33 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said: On 2014-03-30 22:18:43 +0000, RichA said: On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote: Will make you look pretty stupid, but a pretty nifty solution for stabilizing your camera. http://petapixel.com/2014/03/30/smal...etaphorically/ Might be applicable to rifles too. If it works. This is the purpose of the rifle sling. There are engravings in old books on military tactics that show riflemen "slung up" from several hundred years ago. Yup! Addressed further back in this thread, and more likely used within the last 120 years with the advent of the bolt action rifle rather than several hundred years ago, and still used today even in Olympic prone & kneeling target shooting. I have often used my camera strap in a similar way. All you have to do is develop a technique which works for you. German 'freeshooters' used the sling hundreds of years ago, as shown in medieval German fechtbuchen. That is interesting as the "fechtbuchen" seem to deal mainly with bladed weapons, maces, battle axes, and dueling techniques rather than firearms. I would be interested to see the illustrations of which you speak since i don't know of too many medieval firearms which were fitted with slings, or which had an appreciable degree of accuracy over the crossbow or longbow. So perhaps you could post a few examples of any of these "Freischütz" using a sling as a brace. There were hand cannons, the arquebus, and matchlock. The wheel-lock came along some time later. All three of those weapons were usually supported by, and fired with the use of a fork support, not a sling. The flintlock emerged in the 17th century to reach its pinnacle in the late 18th & early 19th century with the development of rifled flintlocks. The first slings started to appear in the 18th Century with arrival of the British "Brown Bess" and even then it was not used as a bracing or support device, or even described as such in the British manual of arms. I am sure that there were earlier slings, but I doubt that with the loading procedures of 17th & 18th century muskets that they were much more than carrying devices. Then the percussion cap was developed and everything changed again. When the rifled percussion weapons with accuracy over greater than typical 18th & 19th century engagement ranges came into general use, there were certainly marksmen who looked for every advantage when using their weapons, and using the sling as an improvised brace was one. I received extensive training in the use of a sling in youth marksmanship programs and in the military, and using a sling with a rifle has long been second nature to me. I also have an interest in firearm history which for me dates back almost 60 years. I will look through my collection of fechtbuchen here soon. I have many in PDF format that I have collected over the years. Some of them might be best described as war manuals, but regardless I do recall seeing several illustrations that clearly show freeshooters slung up. Gewhere, Pistolen, Revolver by Heinrich Müller shows a number of illustrations and painings depicting slung rifles, as well as many examples of early rifles that show mounting rings, slots, and the like. De Geyn's book on weapon handling, "Waffenhandlung" is an example of a fechtbuch that is concerned with not only melee weapons but firearms, if you are interested. It however does not show slung rifles, but rather the depicted freeshooters are using monopods. While it's true that the standardized military firearms were not rifled until much later than these illustrations date from, the freeshooter was not enlisted in the military, but was rather a mercenary hired for a campaign or even a battle. They were armed with their own personal weapons, and had considerably more freedom on the field than a conscript or even many officers. This may be why the freeshooter's use of the sling is not included in military history, as their tactics were not derived from the standardized drills which have been studied extensively. I have often visited the firearms museum in Cody, Wyoming and there are many fine examples of rifled, reloadable breech loading cartridge firearms, of which the earliest I have seen date back to the late 1500s. Many of these weapons feature sling mounts of varying kinds. What I would find interesting is some sort of documentation to demonstrate just when a musketeer, or rifleman, or even some backwoodsman with marksmanship skills, took an accessory for carrying a long firearm and turned it into a makeshift brace. At some time one of these shooters passed his arm through the loop of the sling hanging from the fore-stock, and then wrapped the sling snugly across the back of his wrist before taking hold of that fore-stock, to discover that the end of the barrel stopped moving around so much. It might have happened sometime in the 18th century, but I would wager that it was an unusual practice. It is more likely to have come into general use in the later 19th century with the bolt action rifle, Probably around the time of the French-Prussian War and into the Spanish American and Boer Wars. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2014-04-23 22:11:18 +0000, Savageduck said:
On 2014-04-23 21:07:01 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said: On 2014-04-23 04:35:35 +0000, Savageduck said: On 2014-04-23 02:33:27 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said: On 2014-04-23 00:18:28 +0000, Savageduck said: On 2014-04-22 23:27:33 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said: On 2014-03-30 22:18:43 +0000, RichA said: On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote: Will make you look pretty stupid, but a pretty nifty solution for stabilizing your camera. http://petapixel.com/2014/03/30/smal...etaphorically/ Might be applicable to rifles too. If it works. This is the purpose of the rifle sling. There are engravings in old books on military tactics that show riflemen "slung up" from several hundred years ago. Yup! Addressed further back in this thread, and more likely used within the last 120 years with the advent of the bolt action rifle rather than several hundred years ago, and still used today even in Olympic prone & kneeling target shooting. I have often used my camera strap in a similar way. All you have to do is develop a technique which works for you. German 'freeshooters' used the sling hundreds of years ago, as shown in medieval German fechtbuchen. That is interesting as the "fechtbuchen" seem to deal mainly with bladed weapons, maces, battle axes, and dueling techniques rather than firearms. I would be interested to see the illustrations of which you speak since i don't know of too many medieval firearms which were fitted with slings, or which had an appreciable degree of accuracy over the crossbow or longbow. So perhaps you could post a few examples of any of these "Freischütz" using a sling as a brace. There were hand cannons, the arquebus, and matchlock. The wheel-lock came along some time later. All three of those weapons were usually supported by, and fired with the use of a fork support, not a sling. The flintlock emerged in the 17th century to reach its pinnacle in the late 18th & early 19th century with the development of rifled flintlocks. The first slings started to appear in the 18th Century with arrival of the British "Brown Bess" and even then it was not used as a bracing or support device, or even described as such in the British manual of arms. I am sure that there were earlier slings, but I doubt that with the loading procedures of 17th & 18th century muskets that they were much more than carrying devices. Then the percussion cap was developed and everything changed again. When the rifled percussion weapons with accuracy over greater than typical 18th & 19th century engagement ranges came into general use, there were certainly marksmen who looked for every advantage when using their weapons, and using the sling as an improvised brace was one. I received extensive training in the use of a sling in youth marksmanship programs and in the military, and using a sling with a rifle has long been second nature to me. I also have an interest in firearm history which for me dates back almost 60 years. I will look through my collection of fechtbuchen here soon. I have many in PDF format that I have collected over the years. Some of them might be best described as war manuals, but regardless I do recall seeing several illustrations that clearly show freeshooters slung up. Gewhere, Pistolen, Revolver by Heinrich Müller shows a number of illustrations and painings depicting slung rifles, as well as many examples of early rifles that show mounting rings, slots, and the like. De Geyn's book on weapon handling, "Waffenhandlung" is an example of a fechtbuch that is concerned with not only melee weapons but firearms, if you are interested. It however does not show slung rifles, but rather the depicted freeshooters are using monopods. While it's true that the standardized military firearms were not rifled until much later than these illustrations date from, the freeshooter was not enlisted in the military, but was rather a mercenary hired for a campaign or even a battle. They were armed with their own personal weapons, and had considerably more freedom on the field than a conscript or even many officers. This may be why the freeshooter's use of the sling is not included in military history, as their tactics were not derived from the standardized drills which have been studied extensively. I have often visited the firearms museum in Cody, Wyoming and there are many fine examples of rifled, reloadable breech loading cartridge firearms, of which the earliest I have seen date back to the late 1500s. Many of these weapons feature sling mounts of varying kinds. What I would find interesting is some sort of documentation to demonstrate just when a musketeer, or rifleman, or even some backwoodsman with marksmanship skills, took an accessory for carrying a long firearm and turned it into a makeshift brace. At some time one of these shooters passed his arm through the loop of the sling hanging from the fore-stock, and then wrapped the sling snugly across the back of his wrist before taking hold of that fore-stock, to discover that the end of the barrel stopped moving around so much. It might have happened sometime in the 18th century, but I would wager that it was an unusual practice. It is more likely to have come into general use in the later 19th century with the bolt action rifle, Probably around the time of the French-Prussian War and into the Spanish American and Boer Wars. I would not expect to find handy documentation outside of the martial manuals / fechbuchen and period paintings. I would also contend that rifle sling use was an unusual practice and outside of the parade ground and rifle competition, it seems to remain so even today in our motorhome mobile infantry. |
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Le 22/04/14 17:28, nospam a écrit :
what you want is a bracket that mounts on the camera but extends out along the lens axis, and provides a tripod mount under the lens. Yes, and then a string tripod with that ? Noëlle Adam |
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Le 23/04/14 00:30, Eric Stevens a écrit :
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:30:18 +0200, YouDontNeedToKnowButItsNoëlle wrote: Le 22/04/14 11:32, Eric Stevens a écrit : See http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/ima..._1779-1200.jpg Mine is this one : http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-f28-af.htm It looks as though it was designed with no provision for fitting a tripod mounting. I know that. Noëlle Adam |
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Le 22/04/14 17:54, PeterN a écrit :
On 4/22/2014 5:43 AM, YouDontNeedToKnowButItsNoëlle wrote: Le 21/04/14 22:01, PeterN a écrit : When hand holding (a tele lens,) I remove the tripod collar to reduce the weight. I also turn off VR for my bird shooting. I guess your birds are moving so you prefer high speed and fast focusing. Noëlle Adam Yup! My people on stage are moving, too, but I am glad they dont move so fast as birds. 1/160 s is my own limit where I can stay steady with this lense (that does not focus very fast). But more or less it is also the limit where the people on stage are decently still even when moving. Depends, dancers are terrible...But also some comedians. Since the stage is dark, I cannot use faster speeds even with high isos. Noëlle Adam |
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 21:26:54 +0200, YouDontNeedToKnowButItsNoëlle
wrote: Le 23/04/14 00:30, Eric Stevens a écrit : On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:30:18 +0200, YouDontNeedToKnowButItsNoëlle wrote: Le 22/04/14 11:32, Eric Stevens a écrit : See http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/ima..._1779-1200.jpg Mine is this one : http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-f28-af.htm It looks as though it was designed with no provision for fitting a tripod mounting. I know that. But others (including me) didn't. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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