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On 04/01/2017 04:45 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
I am very pleased to announce that nospam and I have come to a binding agreement that we will no longer argue in this group. Concessions were made on both sides. nospam agreed to admit that he has been wrong on most issues over which we have contretemps, but I have agreed that most of his bogus positions have merely been the result of his inability to write what he means, and that he had the right idea but was unable to coherently present his point. As part of the negotiations, nospam gave me access to his entire body of photography even though he had to rather sheepishly reveal that he uses a file-and-folder system of organization. It turns out that he specializes in light-leak photography and mimicking Holga-like images in-camera with a modified DSLR. Quite interesting stuff, actually. I, in turn, provided him with a keyboard map showing the location of the SHIFT key and instructions on how and when to use it. I also provided him with some templates of how to provide useful information and positive input. To show good faith, the templates all described Apple products favorably and indicated - quite robustly - that Apple product prices are not that excessive when you compare the specs to reasonably priced products. He has been in my kf for a long time, he is an absolute troll and it's not anything to do with him unable to express himself...he lies purposely for attention I suppose. |
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:20:01 -0500, philo wrote:
On 04/01/2017 04:45 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: I am very pleased to announce that nospam and I have come to a binding agreement that we will no longer argue in this group. Concessions were made on both sides. nospam agreed to admit that he has been wrong on most issues over which we have contretemps, but I have agreed that most of his bogus positions have merely been the result of his inability to write what he means, and that he had the right idea but was unable to coherently present his point. As part of the negotiations, nospam gave me access to his entire body of photography even though he had to rather sheepishly reveal that he uses a file-and-folder system of organization. It turns out that he specializes in light-leak photography and mimicking Holga-like images in-camera with a modified DSLR. Quite interesting stuff, actually. I, in turn, provided him with a keyboard map showing the location of the SHIFT key and instructions on how and when to use it. I also provided him with some templates of how to provide useful information and positive input. To show good faith, the templates all described Apple products favorably and indicated - quite robustly - that Apple product prices are not that excessive when you compare the specs to reasonably priced products. He has been in my kf for a long time, he is an absolute troll and it's not anything to do with him unable to express himself...he lies purposely for attention I suppose. I don't think he lies purposely, at least not at the beginning. What I think happens is that it starts when he responds to somebody's article having seen but one of the many subtly different possible interpretations of what was written. From that moment on he is locked on to that interpretation and nothing at all will shift him. Then someway down the thread he changes direction, maybe only a subtle shift or maybe considerable, and from then on *that* is what the arguments is about. A favorite trick which may not be entirely conscious is for him to make a series of statements based on a particular concept which he has in mind. Having written so much around and about that concept he will, when asked why he is saying these things, reply that he has already explained. However, while in the beginning he may have genuinely not realised that people have not understood what was behind his earlier statements, more recently he falls back on "it's already been explained" or some similar argument as a cop out. There is another problem. A while ago he and I had an argument about what happens in Windows when printing. As far as he is concerned when the programmer metaphorically pushes the 'print' button the printer bursts into life. In fact as discovered the programmer pushing the 'print' button causes all hell to burst into life within Windows with processes and programs shuttling, modifying and writing data all over the place before any of it gets to the printer. The programmer doesn't need to know any of this as it's all looked after by the operating system. Nevertheless all this clamour has to occur before anything gets printed. I have noticed that nospam tends to think only on the basis of what he has to know about and nothing else exists. I agree that he can be a pain in the neck but as someone has recently pointed out he is generally very knowledgeable and can be very helpful to others. For that reason I put up with him when he is not trying to lead others astray. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 04/12/2017 12:00 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
snip There is another problem. A while ago he and I had an argument about what happens in Windows when printing. As far as he is concerned when the programmer metaphorically pushes the 'print' button the printer bursts into life. In fact as discovered the programmer pushing the 'print' button causes all hell to burst into life within Windows with processes and programs shuttling, modifying and writing data all over the place before any of it gets to the printer. The programmer doesn't need to know any of this as it's all looked after by the operating system. Nevertheless all this clamour has to occur before anything gets printed. I have noticed that nospam tends to think only on the basis of what he has to know about and nothing else exists. I agree that he can be a pain in the neck but as someone has recently pointed out he is generally very knowledgeable and can be very helpful to others. For that reason I put up with him when he is not trying to lead others astray. Put it this way, if he is not purposely trolling he is wrong 99% of the time so for no other reason is in my KF |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: I don't think he lies purposely, at least not at the beginning. i don't lie at all. i might make a mistake, as does everyone, but that's not lying. calling me a liar does not help your cause (which is bogus to begin with). What I think happens is that it starts when he responds to somebody's article having seen but one of the many subtly different possible interpretations of what was written. From that moment on he is locked on to that interpretation and nothing at all will shift him. Then someway down the thread he changes direction, maybe only a subtle shift or maybe considerable, and from then on *that* is what the arguments is about. that describes others, not me. some people are so hell bent on arguing that they lie and twist about what i said *just* to argue. A favorite trick which may not be entirely conscious is for him to make a series of statements based on a particular concept which he has in mind. Having written so much around and about that concept he will, when asked why he is saying these things, reply that he has already explained. However, while in the beginning he may have genuinely not realised that people have not understood what was behind his earlier statements, more recently he falls back on "it's already been explained" or some similar argument as a cop out. if someone doesn't understand something, then by all means ask for clarification. if they don't ask, i can only assume they understood what they read. what other conclusion is there? There is another problem. A while ago he and I had an argument about what happens in Windows when printing. As far as he is concerned when the programmer metaphorically pushes the 'print' button the printer bursts into life. that's all that matters to the programmer. In fact as discovered the programmer pushing the 'print' button causes all hell to burst into life within Windows with processes and programs shuttling, modifying and writing data all over the place before any of it gets to the printer. unless someone is writing low level printer drivers, none of that matters. The programmer doesn't need to know any of this as it's all looked after by the operating system. exactly the point. the programmer metaphorically pushes the print button, *exactly* as i described, and a print comes out of the printer. often, it's just two api calls (sometimes one). when you push the accelerator pedal in a car, a whole world of things happen too, none of which matter in getting to the grocery store. it might matter to an auto mechanic fixing your car, but not the owner. Nevertheless all this clamour has to occur before anything gets printed. nobody said otherwise. however, it doesn't matter to the programmer and certainly not the user. it's just another fabricated argument. |
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Eric Stevens wrote: [ ... ] I agree that he can be a pain in the neck but as someone has recently pointed out he is generally very knowledgeable and can be very helpful to others. For that reason I put up with him when he is not trying to lead others astray. Since about every thread he posts more than 2 messages to has moved completely off topic, I'm not sure what you are talking about. |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:14:46 -0500, map
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: [ ... ] I agree that he can be a pain in the neck but as someone has recently pointed out he is generally very knowledgeable and can be very helpful to others. For that reason I put up with him when he is not trying to lead others astray. Since about every thread he posts more than 2 messages to has moved completely off topic, I'm not sure what you are talking about. I will admit the occasions are rare ... -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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