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Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!



 
 
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  #21  
Old December 19th 10, 11:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:55:32 -0000, "David J Taylor"
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"Rich" wrote in message
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Because their quality control is lacking? I don't care if the Japanese
camp-out in the factories, you don't get the same result as Made in
Japan.


You obviously do not remember when "Made in Japan" was a warning of a
bad-quality rip-off. Now it seems you revere such items.... Times
change.


And I remeber the time that Alfred Demming (ignored in his own country
- USA) was telling the Japanese how to improve their quality.
Demming's methods worked.



Eric Stevens
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Old December 20th 10, 03:17 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

On 12/19/2010 1:28 PM, Rich wrote:
On Dec 19, 10:06 am, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 23:22:16 -0500, shiva
wrote:



In articleX7mdnSpcjbxs45DQnZ2dnUVZ_sCdn...@giganews. com,
wrote:


shiva wrote in
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In ,
Eric wrote:


On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:55:57 +0200, "G Paleologopoulos"
wrote:


wrote:
I guess Nikon have given up trying to keep production out of the
land of Mao?


http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/prod...74/Nikon_D7000
_digital_camera.html


My D80 of four years was made in Thailand....


So was my D70.


For that matter, so was my previous Honda.


Eric Stevens


Has Nikon in fact been "trying to keep production out of the land of
Mao?" And if so, why?


Because their quality control is lacking? I don't care if the Japanese
camp-out in the factories, you don't get the same result as Made in
Japan.


Can you tell the difference between an image produced by a lens/body
made in China vs. made in Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, or The
Philippines, vs. made in Japan?


Just from the photo, not knowing beforehand where the camera/lens was
made?


If so please post two images, one from a Japanese-made rig and one from
a Chinese-made rig, stripped of exif data, so we can see the wisdom of
your vision.


Otherwise you are just blowing smoke.


As long as they don't slip lead into the plastic, I see no problems.
It's a metal, though, so Rich might not be so sure.


I'm sure the Chinese will figure out a way to contaminate metal too,
they've done it for everything else from milk to toys.


You still have not answered my question.
what do you meant by genetics. Admit the truth for once in your sick life.

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Old December 20th 10, 03:25 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

On 12/18/2010 10:39 PM, Rich wrote:
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On 12/18/2010 4:37 PM, Charles wrote:


"Eric Stevens" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:25:54 -0600, wrote:

I guess Nikon have given up trying to keep production out of the
land of Mao?

http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/prod...74/Nikon_D7000
_digital_camera.html

Are you relying on the URL for that information

Good point, as I suspect diytrade is not the most accurate and up to
date source for this kind of information. Anyway, who cares?


The prejudiced communistic troll is simply trying to stir up
something.


And yet whose the one sticking up for the commie Chinese?


Those communists have adapted capitalism, banking systems and all. OTOH
you are a subversive who seeks to undermine our way of life through the
spreading of FUD.

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  #24  
Old December 20th 10, 08:47 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
David J Taylor[_16_]
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

I remember when Japanese-made products were routinely criticised as
junk on exactly the same basis - the same blind prejudice.


Same here, and I already made that point.

David
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Old December 20th 10, 11:05 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

Rich wrote:


On high-end products, I've often seen diffences between Japanese-made
and Chinese made products. Cheap plastic entry-level cameras with
variable-quality kit lenses are probably "safe" to be made in China,
but watch out when the D3s and 70-200mm f2.8's are beginning to come
from China. The D7000 falls somewhere in the middle.


The Chinese are already successfully running silicon foundries.

Camera are a low-tech joke by comparison.

BugBear
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Old December 20th 10, 11:20 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

"bugbear" wrote
news

Rich wrote:


On high-end products, I've often seen diffences between Japanese-made
and Chinese made products. Cheap plastic entry-level cameras with
variable-quality kit lenses are probably "safe" to be made in China,
but watch out when the D3s and 70-200mm f2.8's are beginning to come
from China. The D7000 falls somewhere in the middle.


The Chinese are already successfully running silicon foundries.

Camera are a low-tech joke by comparison.

BugBear



Not to mention their fairly complex space program.

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Old December 20th 10, 12:11 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

On 12/20/2010 5:20 AM, G Paleologopoulos wrote:
"bugbear" wrote
news

Rich wrote:


On high-end products, I've often seen diffences between Japanese-made
and Chinese made products. Cheap plastic entry-level cameras with
variable-quality kit lenses are probably "safe" to be made in China,
but watch out when the D3s and 70-200mm f2.8's are beginning to come
from China. The D7000 falls somewhere in the middle.


The Chinese are already successfully running silicon foundries.

Camera are a low-tech joke by comparison.

BugBear



Not to mention their fairly complex space program.


Like all who can't deal with their prejudices, Rich never lets the facts
get in the way of a prejudicial statement.

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  #28  
Old December 20th 10, 04:31 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David J Taylor[_16_]
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

"Bruce" wrote in message
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The same will happen with China. Taken as a whole, Chinese cars,
motorcycles, cameras, televisions, cell phones etc. may seem like a
joke to the likes of Rich, but their quality is rapidly improving and
it will only be a matter of time before Japan has difficulty
competing, just as Germany did in the 1960s.


Agreed. It would likely horrify Rich, but I've just bought a
well-regarded telescope, and guess where it was made - China!

Cheers,
David

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Old December 20th 10, 04:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!

On 2010-12-20 04:40:23 -0800, Bruce said:

"David J Taylor" wrote:
I remember when Japanese-made products were routinely criticised as
junk on exactly the same basis - the same blind prejudice.


Same here, and I already made that point.



Apologies for repeating it, but it needs emphasising that China is
following much the same path as Japan did nearly half a century ago.

I remember friends who scoffed at my shiny new Honda motorcycle which,
according to them, didn't match up to their British bikes. But my
Honda took me everywhere reliably and economically, whereas they
needed to pack a set of tools every time they left home and always
ended up tinkering with their bikes during a journey.

Within a very few years, Japanese bikes took over most of the market
and Britain's largest manufacturer, BSA/Triumph, had closed.


Aah! The folly of the English motorcycle engineers.

I can think of two things, suggested at the time which BSA/Triumph
could have done to help their cause in the 60's, and which in their,
"but we have been doing it this way since 1932" wisdom they refused to
do. Dump the cork faced clutch, and re-engineer/re-design the
vertically split crankcase.

My cousin's Triumph 500 was always in pieces needing cluch repairs and
always leaked oil due to the vertical-split crank case which never
sealed properly. My 305 Honda 305 Super Hawk would just run, and had an
electric starter!

The English motorcycle industry was locked into their post war "Golden
age" of the late 40's-early 50's using pre-war 1930's manufacturing
technology and design. The Japanese, German and Italian MC factories
were newly rebuilt and could introduce innovation in design and
manufacturing tech. By 1958 the English manufacturers were behind the
curve and once Mike Hailwood won a World 125cc Championship with Mr.
Honda's little motorcycles it was all over.

....but I would have loved to have had a Norton Atlas back then, or
perhaps a Commando after 1968.


In photography, beautifully made Japanese 35mm rangefinder cameras
replaced beautifully made German scale focus cameras, probably within
a single decade. They were cheaper and just as reliable. Their
lenses got better and better as the years went on, eventually far
exceeding the quality of all but the very best German cameras.

The same will happen with China. Taken as a whole, Chinese cars,
motorcycles, cameras, televisions, cell phones etc. may seem like a
joke to the likes of Rich, but their quality is rapidly improving and
it will only be a matter of time before Japan has difficulty
competing, just as Germany did in the 1960s.


....and then the Chinese will outsource manufacturing to the countries
it owns, the USA, & the U.K., the Canadians only built cheesy GM
knock-offs and had some Levi production before that all moved to
Guatamala & Mexico, so Rich and his racially/ethnically pure offspring
should be safe. ;-)


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Savageduck

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Old December 20th 10, 04:56 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 12/19/10 3:40 PM, in article ,
"tony cooper" wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:24:30 -0500, Robert Coe wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 08:20:19 -0500, peter
wrote:
: On 12/18/2010 10:39 PM, Rich wrote:
: wrote in
: :
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: On 12/18/2010 4:37 PM, Charles wrote:
:
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: "Eric Stevens" wrote in message
: ...
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: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:25:54 -0600, wrote:
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: I guess Nikon have given up trying to keep production out of the
: land of Mao?
:
:
http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/prod...74/Nikon_D7000
: _digital_camera.html
:
: Are you relying on the URL for that information
:
: Good point, as I suspect diytrade is not the most accurate and up to
: date source for this kind of information. Anyway, who cares?
:
: The prejudiced communistic troll is simply trying to stir up
: something.
:
:
: And yet whose the one sticking up for the commie Chinese?
:
: Why don't you answer my question and explain what you meant?

You can probably figure it out for yourself if you break down the terms he
uses. Take "the commie Chinese", for example. That's Andersonian jargon for
"the most ruthlessly capitalistic nation on earth".

When I was in Cuba on a government-sponsored visit 20-some years ago
one of the tour guides referred to Americans as "you running dog
capitalistic warmongers". It was such an over-the-top comment to make
on a tour bus full of Americans that I thought she was joking, but she
wasn't.

"Running dog", BTW, is a translation of the pejorative Chinese term
meaning lackey.


If I was a dog in China, I'd be running too!

 




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