IrfanView: sometimes very slow loading

On 2015-09-14 04:43:19 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:45:52 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-09-14 03:25:50 +0000, nospam said:
In article 2015091320223620830-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

BTW...did you ever check to see if your Dropbox items are viewable on
your iPad when offline?

I just turned off WiFi on my iPad so it is offline, and opened Dropbox.
I got the following DB message, "Unable to Load Recent Files". In
actuallity it is unable to load any files.

Strange. I happened to be out with my iPad today and opened Dropbox
when not online. All images in my Dropbox were viewable.

Looks like things are not standardized for all users of all devices.

Do you have cellular data for your iPad, or do you just use WiFi?

Go to settings and turn off WiFi, and make sure cellular data is not
active, then try to access DB. What you are saying just doesn't make
sense.

airplane mode does that in one step.

True, I just want to make sure he is truly offline.

That is absolutely the case. I get the same result no matter where I
am.

airplane mode accomplishes that.

OK

The only way Tony can be experiencing Dropbox offline as he says is, is
if he has somehow downloaded the image files from DB to his iPad, but
then he wouldn't be viewing them via DB, or he is unknowingly online
via some mystery WiFi hotspot, or a cellular data connection.

Nope. Never downloaded images from DB to my iPad.

OK!


dropbox on ios syncs when the app is run. if there's no connectivity,
you can only see what has previously been synced.

Well of course I'm seeing what has previously been synced. Images are
uploaded to my Dropbox folder when I'm home and using my desktop. As
far as I know, they are automatically synced, but I don't take any
steps to sync them. I may have set it up that way when I added the
Dropbox app to the iPad.

I don't use my iPad when I'm home. I don't upload when I'm out using
my iPad. I don't use my iPad as a camera.


I have a pretty active Dropbox account and many of my image files have
been loaded in DB for some time and have always been accessible on my
iPhone and iPad with the DB app. However, if I am offline the iPad
cannot connect with the DB server and cannot access the image files on
that server. The result is, offline I see no image files stored on DB
even those which had previously been available when online.


he may also be incorrectly describing what he did.

I will wait for Tony to clarify what he actually has been doing with
his iPad and DB, before I stick my foot in my mouth.

What proof do you need? For a small fee, I'll go somewhere out of
range of my router, and not in a hotspot, and use my video camera to
record the images on my iPad.

Actually allyou have to do to make a screen capture with your iPad, or
iPhone is hold down the Power button, then press the Home button and
release both. A screen capture is made and placed in your Photos
collection.
https://db.tt/guuErG3q

That's a lot of work for no reason as
far as I'm concerned. I know what I see.

How about if I do it in the presence of a priest or notary and supply
an affidavit?

Nah! I have been an athiest too long to worry about priests.

Here's an article by "The iPad Lawyer" covering viewing documents
offline. Please note that down the page a bit he says:

"One more thing . . . you will find that photos stored in Dropbox are
available for your offline viewing automatically."

Evidently, bringing up documents is different from bringing images,
but I don't have any documents in my Dropbox folder. I wouldn't know
about that.

http://cgclaw.com/ipad-lawyer-access...pbox-solution/

That was interesting. I see that for him the favorites marker works for
files other than images, and images are supposed to be viewable
regardless.

You are kinda insinuating that I'm lying, Duck. I hope that's not the
case.

No, I was just baffled, and now that I have run another test using my
iPhone I am even more baffled.


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Regards,

Savageduck

On 14/09/2015 05:27, Eric Stevens wrote:
[]
I have spent many frustrating hours in correspondence with several
people from Datacolor. They kept telling me to 'run as administrator'
which I didn't find very helpful as I already (I thought) had
administrator powers. In the end I worked out they meant 'right click
and run as administrator'. That solved the problem. The point was that
this was not necessary before about June 2015.

Thanks for the clarification.

It's been the case since Win-7 (and possibly Vista, I don't recall now),
that a so-called Administrator account doesn't have full administrator
privilege. It seems that by running an a non-standard, basic user you
may have actually created this problem for yourself!

Since Vista, I have never needed a full administrator account, and
always used a basic account as offered by default in Windows setup.
Right-click, Run as Admin, provides all you need.

I don't know what changed in June 2015, but perhaps you can trace the
timing to a particular change you made, like installing a Windows update?

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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On 14/09/2015 05:43, Tony Cooper wrote:
[]
Here's an article by "The iPad Lawyer" covering viewing documents
offline. Please note that down the page a bit he says:

"One more thing . . . you will find that photos stored in Dropbox are
available for your offline viewing automatically."
[]

Perhaps they mean photos which were taken on the iPad, and where the
original files are still available as they are stored on the iPad, and
not stored some other PC? What happens if you download a non-iPad photo
from a PC to the default Dropbox directory?

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On 2015-09-14 05:38:47 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:43:16 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-14 04:23:05 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:10:45 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-09-14 02:39:27 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:28:57 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-09-13 23:41:24 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:45:46 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-09-13 22:25:04 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:41:40 +0100, David Taylor
wrote:

Le Snip

You can most certainly move a file from one device to another in Win-10!
Select the files, and use the right mouse button. When you release
the mouse button, it allows either move or copy in addition to Create
shortcut.

Once again I was talking about W7. This time when copying files into
Dropbox. Suddenly, when selecting a file with left-click, dragging
didn't just copy a file into Dropbox: it moved it, leaving nothing in
the directory from which it had come.

From a Mac users perspective, that is the way Dropbox works. With OSX,
and I suspect various versions of Windows, there are several ways to
load a file into Dropbox.

1: With the Dropbox folder you can drag the file from its primary
location and it is moved to the desktop DB folder from its original
location, and copied to the DB server. The file will only exist in the
Dropbox desktop folder or sub-folder.

2: Right click on the file icon and select "Move to Dropbox" from the
pop-up menu. The file is moved from its original location to the
desktop Dropbox folder. It is not copied.

On my Windows computer it's "Send to" and then choosing Dropbox. The
file is copied to Dropbox but remains the folder from where it was
sent. Just tried it. I did this by going to StartComputer(file
folder)

When I right-click on a file this is the menu I get with "Move to
Dropbox", and it moves it to the DB desktop folder. It does not copy it.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_294.jpg


Different platforms, different actions result, I guess.

Yup.

3: Using the Dropbox web interface, left click and drag the file to the
location on the DB web page and drop. The file is copied to the DB
server and the original remains unmolested in its original position. It
will also place a copy into the Dropbox desktop folder, or sub-folder.

I'm not sure what you mean by the Dropbox web interface. When I open
Dropbox on the web, I don't have access to a folder to drag from.

Why not?
All I do is open a folder with the image files and pull that on top of
the open Dropbox web site location on my web browser. I select the
image I want in DB, I left-click on it, hold and drag to the browser
window and drop. That is all that is needed.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_293.jpg

I use the import icon to add a file to Dropbox, and this imports a copy.
I could open a separate window and try to drag, but this seems much
more complicated than simply importing.

What could be simpler that drag & drop?

That seems to be a matter of personal preference. I do drag and drop
in some cases, but it often doesn't "hold" when I start to drag. Maybe
it's because I use a trackball, or maybe I just don't have the touch.
I don't think it's a matter of which is the best way as long as the
action is effected.

I use an MS Trackball Optical. It has been my favorite input device for
years. I guess I am just better practiced than you.
http://www.shareware-beach.com/photos/J1282752.jpg


BTW...did you ever check to see if your Dropbox items are viewable on
your iPad when offline?

I just turned off WiFi on my iPad so it is offline, and opened Dropbox.
I got the following DB message, "Unable to Load Recent Files". In
actuallity it is unable to load any files.

Strange. I happened to be out with my iPad today and opened Dropbox
when not online. All images in my Dropbox were viewable.

Looks like things are not standardized for all users of all devices.

Do you have cellular data for your iPad, or do you just use WiFi?

Go to settings and turn off WiFi, and make sure cellular data is not
active, then try to access DB. What you are saying just doesn't make
sense.


Just did it. I'm in the house within reach of my router, but turned
off wifi. Dropbox images still pop up without a problem. Then left
wifi turned off and turned Airplane mode on as nospam suggests.
Dropbox images still appear without a problem. There is no difference
in viewing my Dropbox account using the Dropbox app on my iPad any way
I change things or with wifi on and active.

I am downloading a bunch of app updates on my iPad, which returned the
negative offline results. So I just tried with my iPhone in Airplane
mode, cell off, WiFi off. I even marked two images as favorites as
suggested by nospam. Anyway, I'll be damned!! Dropbox worked just fine
displaying all the images on the server not just the favorites.

Don't you feel badly for not trusting me now?

Trust had nothing to do with it. ;-)

So, there is something going on with DB and my iPad. I am still baffled
as to how your iPad and my iPhone can access the DB server while
offline.

I think the same thing is true of my iPhone, but I didn't want to
bring that up without testing it.

But, I don't see how they could access the DB server when offline.

That was what was making my head spin.

I
think it's a case where the server was accessed when the iPad was
online, and the images were cached.

Even that doesn't make sense. I regularly purge my DB when I get close
to my free limit. So I currently have 428 MB of images and stuff in DB.
A check of the memory usage in my iPad shows 91 MB for the Dropbox app
size and 86.8 MB for Documents and Data. That is nowhere near the 428
MB in my desktop DB folder and the on the DB server.

On Adobe CC I am using about 5 GB of my free 20 GB.
...and Lightroom Mobile shows iPad usage of 52.8 MB for the app and 431
MB for Docs & Data. However LT Mobile uses reduced size Smart Previews
not full size images. I guess it is possible that DB does something
similar for mobile versions.

My iPad is automatically online via the router when I'm in the house
and it's on.

Same here.

My wife will often use it to check her email when I'm on
this computer. When she's checking her email, it could be busy
synching "under the hood". She often uses it to Google a recipe or
something when I'm tying up the computer.

It could be checked by adding an image to DB when the iPad is not on,
running down the street out of router range, and see if that image is
in Dropbox. You do it, though. I'm not that concerned.

I don't think the marking as a favorite makes any difference.

I've never marked any as favorites.


I'm not sure what a cellular data setting is on my iPad. All I can
tell you is that my cellular provider, AT&T, doesn't even know about
the existence of my iPad. No phone connections at all.

Do you have a WiFi + Cell iPad? I do, but I have yet to use the iPad
cellular data.
If you do, and you need to use cellular data you purchase a block of
broad band from your provider via your iPad.

Nope. Never purchased a block of data for the iPad. No cell phone
capabilities. AT&T doesn't know I have an iPad. No reason they
should.

I haven't had to do that as I use my iPhone 5S as an LTE/4G WiFi
hotspot which works just fine.

nospam has explained it in another post. If I can do what he says,
your should be able to do the same thing.

I can't provide you with any more information other than I have no
problem viewing everything in my Dropbox account regardless of where I
am or whether I am online or offline.

I am going to investigate this further. Stay tuned.

Maybe it's a secret benefit afforded me by Apple in compensation for
not depleting their inventory of a 5 or 5S back when.

;-)


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-09-14 05:47:24 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:13:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

What proof do you need? For a small fee, I'll go somewhere out of
range of my router, and not in a hotspot, and use my video camera to
record the images on my iPad.

Actually allyou have to do to make a screen capture with your iPad, or
iPhone is hold down the Power button, then press the Home button and
release both. A screen capture is made and placed in your Photos
collection.
https://db.tt/guuErG3q

Based on your skepticism of me being able to do what I say I'm doing,
a screen capture would not be sufficient proof. It would only show the
status of the present screen. It would not show if I was online or
offline.

Actually if you make a screen capture of the appropriate screen it
would show if you were online or offline. That first one was a
Lightroom Mobile screen, this one is a screen capture of the contents
of a DB folder. If you look at the upper left corner you will see the
WiFi indicator "fan" and another tag indicating my VPN is active,
therefore I am online.
https://db.tt/eJe244sH

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-09-14 05:57:28 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 06:29:02 +0100, David Taylor
wrote:

On 14/09/2015 05:43, Tony Cooper wrote:
[]
Here's an article by "The iPad Lawyer" covering viewing documents
offline. Please note that down the page a bit he says:

"One more thing . . . you will find that photos stored in Dropbox are
available for your offline viewing automatically."
[]

Perhaps they mean photos which were taken on the iPad,

Nope. I know, when I look at my Dropbox folder, where those photos
came from. They are all photos taken with a dslr and uploaded to my
Dropbox folder.

and where the
original files are still available as they are stored on the iPad, and
not stored some other PC? What happens if you download a non-iPad photo
from a PC to the default Dropbox directory?

Viewable. Actually, I copy my photos to the Dropbox folder on my
desktop, in the appropriate file, and they are synched to my Dropbox
account. I have no iPad photos in there. 2+ Gigs of dslr taken
.jpgs. (I could have other types of files, but prefer to put just
.jpgs there.)

I know my iPad takes photos. I just don't do it. I don't need a
reason not to. I just don't. I don't take many photos with my
iPhone. Mostly informational when I do...a label, a sign, wiring
configuration, etc. Most are deleted soon after being taken.

Yup, my iPad camera is an unused feature, and my iPhone is a camera of
convenience, or last resort. I have a collection in LR Mobile "iPhone
C-Roll" with "Enable Auto Add" set so any shots taken with my iPhone
are automatically added to Lightroom and synced to that collection on
my desktop.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 14/09/2015 06:57, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 06:29:02 +0100, David Taylor
wrote:

On 14/09/2015 05:43, Tony Cooper wrote:
[]
Here's an article by "The iPad Lawyer" covering viewing documents
offline. Please note that down the page a bit he says:

"One more thing . . . you will find that photos stored in Dropbox are
available for your offline viewing automatically."
[]

Perhaps they mean photos which were taken on the iPad,

Nope. I know, when I look at my Dropbox folder, where those photos
came from. They are all photos taken with a dslr and uploaded to my
Dropbox folder.

and where the
original files are still available as they are stored on the iPad, and
not stored some other PC? What happens if you download a non-iPad photo
from a PC to the default Dropbox directory?

Viewable. Actually, I copy my photos to the Dropbox folder on my
desktop, in the appropriate file, and they are synched to my Dropbox
account. I have no iPad photos in there. 2+ Gigs of dslr taken
.jpgs. (I could have other types of files, but prefer to put just
.jpgs there.)

I know my iPad takes photos. I just don't do it. I don't need a
reason not to. I just don't. I don't take many photos with my
iPhone. Mostly informational when I do...a label, a sign, wiring
configuration, etc. Most are deleted soon after being taken.

Thanks for the update. Oh, well, another theory bits the dust!

What I find is that if I am offline, even Dropbox favourites (items with
copies stored locally on the iPad) are not always viewable because
Dropbox can't read the directory from the server, and any attempt to
navigate the directory structure fails. I find that annoying, although
(just) understandable.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On 2015-09-14 06:23:41 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:14:59 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-14 05:47:24 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:13:02 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

What proof do you need? For a small fee, I'll go somewhere out of
range of my router, and not in a hotspot, and use my video camera to
record the images on my iPad.

Actually allyou have to do to make a screen capture with your iPad, or
iPhone is hold down the Power button, then press the Home button and
release both. A screen capture is made and placed in your Photos
collection.
https://db.tt/guuErG3q

Based on your skepticism of me being able to do what I say I'm doing,
a screen capture would not be sufficient proof. It would only show the
status of the present screen. It would not show if I was online or
offline.

Actually if you make a screen capture of the appropriate screen it
would show if you were online or offline. That first one was a
Lightroom Mobile screen, this one is a screen capture of the contents
of a DB folder. If you look at the upper left corner you will see the
WiFi indicator "fan" and another tag indicating my VPN is active,
therefore I am online.
https://db.tt/eJe244sH

You might accuse me of cloning out the fan. You have been highly
doubtful of my veracity here.

Just baffled, just baffled.

My display doesn't have that boxed VPN. That virtual private network
must be some service you subscribe to that I don't.

Yes. That way I can surreptitiously fool the BBC into believing that my
iPad, or computer is in the UK and I can get some interesting
programing not available here. I believe Alan Browne uses a VPN so he
can get US Netflix programing and some US network stuff not available
in Canada.
https://db.tt/Bfzimzpc

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-09-14 06:24:52 +0000, David Taylor
said:

On 14/09/2015 06:57, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 06:29:02 +0100, David Taylor
wrote:

On 14/09/2015 05:43, Tony Cooper wrote:
[]
Here's an article by "The iPad Lawyer" covering viewing documents
offline. Please note that down the page a bit he says:

"One more thing . . . you will find that photos stored in Dropbox are
available for your offline viewing automatically."
[]

Perhaps they mean photos which were taken on the iPad,

Nope. I know, when I look at my Dropbox folder, where those photos
came from. They are all photos taken with a dslr and uploaded to my
Dropbox folder.

and where the
original files are still available as they are stored on the iPad, and
not stored some other PC? What happens if you download a non-iPad photo
from a PC to the default Dropbox directory?

Viewable. Actually, I copy my photos to the Dropbox folder on my
desktop, in the appropriate file, and they are synched to my Dropbox
account. I have no iPad photos in there. 2+ Gigs of dslr taken
.jpgs. (I could have other types of files, but prefer to put just
.jpgs there.)

I know my iPad takes photos. I just don't do it. I don't need a
reason not to. I just don't. I don't take many photos with my
iPhone. Mostly informational when I do...a label, a sign, wiring
configuration, etc. Most are deleted soon after being taken.

Thanks for the update. Oh, well, another theory bits the dust!

What I find is that if I am offline, even Dropbox favourites (items
with copies stored locally on the iPad) are not always viewable because
Dropbox can't read the directory from the server, and any attempt to
navigate the directory structure fails.

That is the behavior I experienced with my first test, and it is what I
would have expected. As I told Tony, when I made the same test with my
iPhone I had full offline access to the image files stored in DB.
Strange, very strange.

I find that annoying, although (just) understandable.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:02:12 +0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Bill W
Sun, 13 Sep 2015
19:10:37 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

Total privacy is gone forever - it's just reality. If you are
afraid of every bit of info that is sent off into the ether, turn
off your phone, and disconnect from the internet. It's fine to be
cautious, but at some level, caution can become futile, and a
waste of time.

That's an interesting viewpoint. A discussion for another time,
perhaps.

And finally regarding upgrading from XP, I use lots of software -
mostly music and photo, and almost none of it will run on XP. And
I think I'm a typical user.

I'm very interested in learning the names of the programs and versions
that do not support XP for music and photo work. I'm also interested in
both (primarily music) and I haven't run into such an issue, so far.

PS & LR CC, DXO Optics Pro & Viewpoint, HDR Express 3 for photos,
Cakewalk Sonar for music, to start. I don't believe any of the newer
DAW's work with XP. Arturia soft synths, and probably most of the
others need 7 and up.

Cool Edit 2000 and Cronox still work in 10, along with Audacity, of
course. EMU Proteus & Emulator do not work with 7 and up.

It would be very helpful to know which programs I should be looking for
in the event I decide to migrate one or more systems to a later version
of Windows for personal use.

Thanks!