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Old April 4th 20, 06:55 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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I read this
https://petapixel.com/2020/04/04/rar...tary-survival-
training-photos-shot-with-a-holga-toy-camera/

and started thinking that perhaps there could be a market for a
digital camera like this:

- plactic body, a bit big
- black and white images only
- no EVF, only an OVF with plastic lenses
- plastic, fixed focal length and fixed focus lens (no AF)
- no LCD screen
- inbuilt software which adds (strong) vignetting, and simulates
a broken body where light from outside can randomly come in.
- camera is limited to 36 shots at ISO 400. But you have the
option to buy chip cards, which if inserted into the camera
allow you to take another 36 shots. These chip cards are a bit
bulky, the size of MF film cartridges, so that you won't carry
too many of them with you.
- to see the pictures you have to send these chip cards to a
company. The company processes these chip cards and sends you
back a CD with the pictures. But you have to wait a week.
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https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site
  #2  
Old April 4th 20, 07:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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On Apr 4, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com):

I read this
https://petapixel.com/2020/04/04/rar...tary-survival-
training-photos-shot-with-a-holga-toy-camera/

and started thinking that perhaps there could be a market for a
digital camera like this:

- plactic body, a bit big
- black and white images only
- no EVF, only an OVF with plastic lenses
- plastic, fixed focal length and fixed focus lens (no AF)
- no LCD screen
- inbuilt software which adds (strong) vignetting, and simulates
a broken body where light from outside can randomly come in.
- camera is limited to 36 shots at ISO 400. But you have the
option to buy chip cards, which if inserted into the camera
allow you to take another 36 shots. These chip cards are a bit
bulky, the size of MF film cartridges, so that you won't carry
too many of them with you.
- to see the pictures you have to send these chip cards to a
company. The company processes these chip cards and sends you
back a CD with the pictures. But you have to wait a week.


That pretty much seems like a novelty camera which would very quickly lose any appeal it might have had long before you had exhausted the first 36 shots.

This is especially true since you can apply any number of light-leak, toy-camera, or “Holga” effects in post with existing cameras. All without having to wait a week to see what will probably be disappointing results, and then never use any such camera again.

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Old April 4th 20, 10:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

I read this
https://petapixel.com/2020/04/04/rar...tary-survival-
training-photos-shot-with-a-holga-toy-camera/


broken link

and started thinking that perhaps there could be a market for a
digital camera like this:

- plactic body, a bit big
- black and white images only
- no EVF, only an OVF with plastic lenses
- plastic, fixed focal length and fixed focus lens (no AF)
- no LCD screen
- inbuilt software which adds (strong) vignetting, and simulates
a broken body where light from outside can randomly come in.
- camera is limited to 36 shots at ISO 400. But you have the
option to buy chip cards, which if inserted into the camera
allow you to take another 36 shots. These chip cards are a bit
bulky, the size of MF film cartridges, so that you won't carry
too many of them with you.
- to see the pictures you have to send these chip cards to a
company. The company processes these chip cards and sends you
back a CD with the pictures. But you have to wait a week.


there is no market for such a camera.

intentionally making a product difficult and inconvenient to use while
greatly limiting its feature set is not what sells.
  #4  
Old April 4th 20, 11:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Benot
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nospam wrote:

In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

I read this
https://petapixel.com/2020/04/04/rar...tary-survival-
training-photos-shot-with-a-holga-toy-camera/


broken link


Just learn your reader to glue the two parts.

and started thinking that perhaps there could be a market for a
digital camera like this:

- plactic body, a bit big
- black and white images only


Depends on the film you use.

- no EVF, only an OVF with plastic lenses


It's a film camera, can't you read?

- plastic, fixed focal length and fixed focus lens (no AF)
- no LCD screen


It's a film camera, can't you read?

- inbuilt software which adds (strong) vignetting, and simulates
a broken body where light from outside can randomly come in.


No software, optic design and investment only.

- camera is limited to 36 shots at ISO 400. But you have the
option to buy chip cards, which if inserted into the camera
allow you to take another 36 shots. These chip cards are a bit
bulky, the size of MF film cartridges, so that you won't carry
too many of them with you.


Where did you read that? Could you quote the part please.

- to see the pictures you have to send these chip cards to a
company. The company processes these chip cards and sends you
back a CD with the pictures. But you have to wait a week.


These aren't chip cards, they're film rolls. Poor teenager.

there is no market for such a camera.


It's not because you dont buy, or want, a Bentley that ther is no
market. Grow up kid.

intentionally making a product difficult and inconvenient to use while
greatly limiting its feature set is not what sells.


It's because it's inconvinient (hence more fun) to use that some people
buy them; just like manual transmission cars.

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Vie : n.f. maladie mortelle sexuellement transmissible
Benot chez leraillez.com
  #5  
Old April 5th 20, 06:12 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 00:38:09 +0200, lid (Benot) wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

I read this
https://petapixel.com/2020/04/04/rar...tary-survival-
training-photos-shot-with-a-holga-toy-camera/


broken link


Just learn your reader to glue the two parts.

and started thinking that perhaps there could be a market for a
digital camera like this:

- plactic body, a bit big
- black and white images only


Depends on the film you use.

- no EVF, only an OVF with plastic lenses


It's a film camera, can't you read?

- plastic, fixed focal length and fixed focus lens (no AF)
- no LCD screen


It's a film camera, can't you read?

- inbuilt software which adds (strong) vignetting, and simulates
a broken body where light from outside can randomly come in.


No software, optic design and investment only.

- camera is limited to 36 shots at ISO 400. But you have the
option to buy chip cards, which if inserted into the camera
allow you to take another 36 shots. These chip cards are a bit
bulky, the size of MF film cartridges, so that you won't carry
too many of them with you.


Where did you read that? Could you quote the part please.

- to see the pictures you have to send these chip cards to a
company. The company processes these chip cards and sends you
back a CD with the pictures. But you have to wait a week.


These aren't chip cards, they're film rolls. Poor teenager.

there is no market for such a camera.


It's not because you dont buy, or want, a Bentley that ther is no
market. Grow up kid.

intentionally making a product difficult and inconvenient to use while
greatly limiting its feature set is not what sells.


It's because it's inconvinient (hence more fun) to use that some people
buy them; just like manual transmission cars.


You might want to reread the original post. You sort of went off the
rails on this one.
  #8  
Old April 5th 20, 12:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

It's because it's inconvinient (hence more fun) to use that some people
buy them; just like manual transmission cars.


Seems to be the fun of being limited to a fixed number of shots,
not knowing what you get.


there is no fun in that. there never was fun in that. consumers do not
want that.

In addition, the look of these shots
is like "survival mission" (crappy image quality), i.e. appeals
to nostalgic people.


smartphones can easily do that, and have for years.

making a separate camera just for that would require the guts of a
smartphone but without any of its features.
  #9  
Old April 5th 20, 02:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Scott Schuckert
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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

and started thinking that perhaps there could be a market for a
digital camera like this:

- plactic body, a bit big
- black and white images only
- no EVF, only an OVF with plastic lenses
- plastic, fixed focal length and fixed focus lens (no AF)
- no LCD screen
- inbuilt software which adds (strong) vignetting, and simulates
a broken body where light from outside can randomly come in.
- camera is limited to 36 shots at ISO 400. But you have the
option to buy chip cards, which if inserted into the camera
allow you to take another 36 shots. These chip cards are a bit
bulky, the size of MF film cartridges, so that you won't carry
too many of them with you.
- to see the pictures you have to send these chip cards to a
company. The company processes these chip cards and sends you
back a CD with the pictures. But you have to wait a week.
--
Alfred Molon


I'm assuming sarcasm, but IIRC Yashica came back from the dead a couple
of years ago for something similar. You'd put in "rolls of film" which
contained storage and programming for the character of the "emulsion"
used. Even had a film wind lever. Unsurprisingly, it was awful and no
one bought it.

Ooh! Found a link:

https://petapixel.com/2018/10/18/yas...gifilm-camera-
is-unexpectedly-bad/
  #10  
Old April 5th 20, 05:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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In article , says...

In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

and started thinking that perhaps there could be a market for a
digital camera like this:

- plactic body, a bit big
- black and white images only
- no EVF, only an OVF with plastic lenses
- plastic, fixed focal length and fixed focus lens (no AF)
- no LCD screen
- inbuilt software which adds (strong) vignetting, and simulates
a broken body where light from outside can randomly come in.
- camera is limited to 36 shots at ISO 400. But you have the
option to buy chip cards, which if inserted into the camera
allow you to take another 36 shots. These chip cards are a bit
bulky, the size of MF film cartridges, so that you won't carry
too many of them with you.
- to see the pictures you have to send these chip cards to a
company. The company processes these chip cards and sends you
back a CD with the pictures. But you have to wait a week.
--
Alfred Molon


I'm assuming sarcasm, but IIRC Yashica came back from the dead a couple
of years ago for something similar. You'd put in "rolls of film" which
contained storage and programming for the character of the "emulsion"
used. Even had a film wind lever. Unsurprisingly, it was awful and no
one bought it.

Ooh! Found a link:

https://petapixel.com/2018/10/18/yas...gifilm-camera-
is-unexpectedly-bad/


Interesting. Seems people want to have a real crap camera
instead of a fake crap camera.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site
 




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