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Will we always be able to buy film?
On 1/27/2004 9:14 PM Frank Pittel spake thus:
jjs wrote: : In article , Frank Pittel : wrote: : What this has to do with the question is that there is a demand for : black powder : muskets and there is a profit in making them. Therefore in true : capitalist fashion : there is at least one company making them. : Oh just shut the fcuk up, Frank. No chance Look, Frank, will you at least fix you idiotic drive-time Rush Limbaugh told me so it *must* be true talk-radio sig so that it's *grammatic*? If so, I'll think that much better of you. Any English teacher would tell you it should be "Keep working--millions on welfare depend on you". Two clauses, dontcha know. (You can substitute a semicolon if that turns you on more.) Or just go on sounding like a moron. The choice is yours. -- It's stupid, moronic and too fcuking obvious, as obvious as counting your fingers, so TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW or just shut the fcuk up. - "jjs" in extremis on rec.photo.darkroom |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
Phil,
Photography came into its own in the late 19th century, but oil paints, watercolors, etc., are still sold. The telephone did not replace writing letters. Stationery, pens, and inks are still sold. Movies were invented, but people still go to plays, concerts, and operas. TV came along, but both radio and movies survived. Simply put, digital imaging is not a replacement technology, it is an additional technology. Also, there are still a few billion people in this world for whom film will be both technologically and economically more feasible than electronic digital processing for years to come. Bob ---------------------- Phil Glaser wrote: Some of this may be old news to some of you, but I just found this story about Kodak reducing manufacturing capacity and laying of 15,000 employees: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...dak-cuts_x.htm The story poses some interesting questioins about Kodak's future Meanwhile, NPR did a piece this weekend on the "digital revolution": http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1616953. The prologue to the NPR story on their website says that ". . . Eastman Kodak will stop selling photographic film . . ." This statement is obviously an exageration and misrepresentation of the trend in the market and at Kodak, but it does get me thinking about what it will be like over the next decade or two as digital eclipses film as the medium of choice for most amatures and for many areas of professional photography. The economics of it are such that, as digital equipment prices fall, film will become the more expensive option even at today's equipment and material prices. Digital probably already is the least expensive in a certain range of quality (I mean: if you can do with low resolution and don't need to do a lot of creative manipulation [requiring photoshop], digital is definitely already cheaper). So how will it be to procure film in the next 10-20 years? Can we imagine a day where Kodak sells little if any film? What about companies like Ilford and Agfa and Fuji? Sure, they will stay in business because the demand for film will probably always be sufficient to make it a niche market. But will reduction in demand lead to an increase in prices for film, so that, even with cheap darkroom equipment and film cameras around, film could become a lot more expensive than digital? Will there be fewer choices? Will film manufacturers continue to innovate? Or will it be the opposite: will film innovate even more to compete with digital?. . . --phil |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
David Nebenzahl wrote:
: On 1/27/2004 9:14 PM Frank Pittel spake thus: : jjs wrote: : : In article , Frank Pittel : : wrote: : : : What this has to do with the question is that there is a demand for : : black powder : : muskets and there is a profit in making them. Therefore in true : : capitalist fashion : : there is at least one company making them. : : : Oh just shut the fcuk up, Frank. : : No chance : Look, Frank, will you at least fix you idiotic drive-time Rush Limbaugh told : me so it *must* be true talk-radio sig so that it's *grammatic*? If so, I'll : think that much better of you. While I'm sure Rush would like to take credit for my sig he had nothing to do with it. I saw spray painted on the back of a truck going on twenty years ago. That would date it well before Rush was on the radio here in Chicago. : Any English teacher would tell you it should be "Keep working--millions on : welfare depend on you". Two clauses, dontcha know. (You can substitute a : semicolon if that turns you on more.) Don't tell me that after all this time you're going to turn grammer cop on me. Are you going to start correcting my spelling next? : Or just go on sounding like a moron. The choice is yours. I like it the way it is. It drives the liberal and grammer cops crazy. It's a two for the price of one deal. :-) : -- : It's stupid, moronic and too fcuking obvious, as obvious as counting your : fingers, so TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW or just shut the fcuk up. : - "jjs" in extremis on rec.photo.darkroom BTW - I like your new SIG. -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
On 1/27/2004 11:33 PM Frank Pittel spake thus:
Don't tell me that after all this time you're going to turn grammer cop on me. Are you going to start correcting my spelling next? "Grammer cop", indeed. You are a hopeless ****ing redneck moron, Frank. Totally hopeless. Just to ahead spelling and "grammering" like you've been all along. I was wrong to try to help you. -- It's stupid, moronic and too fcuking obvious, as obvious as counting your fingers, so TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW or just shut the fcuk up. - "jjs" in extremis on rec.photo.darkroom |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:42:51 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote: You are a hopeless ****ing redneck moron, What is this affinity you have for using terms in an effort to alienate everyone you have any discussions with ? As in "Look, John: why don't you just admit you're a ****ing racist, OK? It'll save all of us a lot of time and grief." Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com Please remove the "_" when replying via email |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
John wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:42:51 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote: You are a hopeless ****ing redneck moron, What is this affinity you have for using terms in an effort to alienate everyone you have any discussions with ? As in "Look, John: why don't you just admit you're a ****ing racist, OK? It'll save all of us a lot of time and grief." Probably the same affinity Frank has for always being "right." They just can't help it. It's an anal neurosis. |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
In article , Frank Pittel
wrote: While I'm sure Rush would like to take credit for my sig he had nothing to do with it. I saw spray painted on the back of a truck going on twenty years ago. Sprayed on a truck? Frank, do you realize that is possibly Art? How moving! What weight it carries. Oh, regarding your sig and philosophy - Last week I hired four new people: one American and three Malasians. Any one of the Malasians is more talented and hard-working than three Americans. A good 'deal', eh? Pretty soon we will be outsourcing whatever it is you do. I'll give your job of posting silliness to Usenet to a 'bot. Fair is fair. Here is wishing you well in welfare. |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
"Dan Dunphy" wrote in message ... I don't unsderstand what this has to do with photography, but these are NOT original muskets. They are modern replicas, predominately sold to re-enactors. I think his point was that if someone makes a then-modern replica of Kodak Tri-X in 2075, it will still be usable, just as the modern replica musket is usable today. It would appear there is far more practical purpose for film than muskets, and yet muskets still sell. Jim |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
In article , "Jim MacKenzie"
wrote: I think his point was that if someone makes a then-modern replica of Kodak Tri-X in 2075, it will still be usable, just as the modern replica musket is usable today. It would appear there is far more practical purpose for film than muskets, and yet muskets still sell. _Real_ muskets were each hand-made and different, lock, stock and barrel. If something broke, a new part made had to be hand-made. Then Sam Colt implemented standardized parts, mass production, interchangability, and the craft of musket making all but disappeared. So now any moron can buy and shoot a musket. Rather like photography. Sometimes this place has the feel of a gunshop with broke tramp wannabes hanging around with nothing to do but get in the way. |
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Will we always be able to buy film?
"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message ... On 1/27/2004 4:54 PM jjs spake thus: In article , Frank Pittel wrote: : Somebody will always pipe up with this "the reality is economics" bullsiht. : Just what good does it to to state the obvious? ... ah, rather like this : message is obvious. It's an accurate question to a question that gets asked a lot these days. Would you prefer an answer like "YES, YES, YES No. I just get tired of the morons who think that everything is answered with the cliche regarding demand-side economics. So it is true - so what? It's stupid, moronic and too fcuking obvious, as obvious as counting your fingers, so TELL ME SOMETHING I DONT' KNOW or just shut the fcuk up. Notice my shiny new NASTY sig? (Hope you don't mind my minor copy-editing.) -- It's stupid, moronic and too fcuking obvious, as obvious as counting your fingers, so TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW or just shut the fcuk up. - "jjs" in extremis on rec.photo.darkroom LOL |
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