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Has Sony/Pentax/Canon fixed their non-working anti-dust systems yet?



 
 
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Old September 7th 07, 12:46 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Old September 8th 07, 08:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Yes, well the Pentax system works for normal everyday sort of dust that I
have so far encountered. Not sure that they work when the test is not real
life, saw one where they left the sensor exposed for long periods to get
them "nice and dusty", hardly real world stuff.


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Old September 8th 07, 10:22 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Pete D wrote:

Yes, well the Pentax system works for normal everyday sort of dust that I
have so far encountered. Not sure that they work when the test is not real
life, saw one where they left the sensor exposed for long periods to get
them "nice and dusty", hardly real world stuff.


Since there is no real dust problem in the real world that
could be fixed by a dust shaker, there is no need to
introduce them except for some nervous marketing dudes.

And since dust shakers are mostly marketing ploys, it does not
matter how well they work, as long as they are on the feature list.

-Wolfgang
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Old September 9th 07, 02:21 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
RichA
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Default Has Sony/Pentax/Canon fixed their non-working anti-dust systems yet?

On Sep 8, 5:22 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote:
Pete D wrote:
Yes, well the Pentax system works for normal everyday sort of dust that I
have so far encountered. Not sure that they work when the test is not real
life, saw one where they left the sensor exposed for long periods to get
them "nice and dusty", hardly real world stuff.


Since there is no real dust problem in the real world that
could be fixed by a dust shaker, there is no need to
introduce them except for some nervous marketing dudes.


Yes, certainly dust is no concern at all. Which of course is why
companies can charge $100 for a brush to remove it. Loupes to see it
in $300 kits, etc.
Olympus dust removal works, which is what galls users of brands that
implemented useless systems. With those cameras, it IS a useless add-
on that is just another system in their cameras to break.


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Old September 9th 07, 05:51 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Pete D
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Default Has Sony/Pentax/Canon fixed their non-working anti-dust systems yet?


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On Sep 8, 5:22 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote:
Pete D wrote:
Yes, well the Pentax system works for normal everyday sort of dust that
I
have so far encountered. Not sure that they work when the test is not
real
life, saw one where they left the sensor exposed for long periods to
get
them "nice and dusty", hardly real world stuff.


Since there is no real dust problem in the real world that
could be fixed by a dust shaker, there is no need to
introduce them except for some nervous marketing dudes.


Yes, certainly dust is no concern at all. Which of course is why
companies can charge $100 for a brush to remove it. Loupes to see it
in $300 kits, etc.
Olympus dust removal works, which is what galls users of brands that
implemented useless systems. With those cameras, it IS a useless add-
on that is just another system in their cameras to break.


And of course because you have actually tested all cameras with these
systems you are the authority on their use.

Seriously Rich you are the worlds biggest freaking moron and I seriously
wonder why the freaking hell I ever removed you from my killfile list.

Back on the list you go dimwit.


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Old September 9th 07, 08:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Wolfgang Weisselberg
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Default Has Sony/Pentax/Canon fixed their non-working anti-dust systems yet?

RichA wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:22 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg


Since there is no real dust problem in the real world that
could be fixed by a dust shaker, there is no need to
introduce them except for some nervous marketing dudes.


Yes, certainly dust is no concern at all.


Yep.

Which of course is why
companies can charge $100 for a brush to remove it. Loupes to see it
in $300 kits, etc.


There's a sucker born every second, and the same type of people
buy de-oxygenated, magnetically aligned speaker cables at $$$
per metre.

And the'll pay $$$$ if one did dip the cable into the blood of
a black rooster, slaughtered at midnight under the full moon by
cutting it's throat with a silver knife in a circle or 5 black
candles.

If you use that as proof that ordinary speaker cables are
a concern, everyone will call you a moron.

Since you use the very same logic, I call you a moron.
Especially as there are much cheaper, just as good, solutions,
which you choose to overlook. After all, why spoil a frothing
rant with facts?

Olympus dust removal works, which is what galls users of brands that
implemented useless systems. With those cameras, it IS a useless add-
on that is just another system in their cameras to break.


My camera does not even _have_ dust removal system. So how
could I be galled? Blowing the sensor every 6 months and
swabbing it every 2 years does not amount to a problem, no
matter what you think.

BTW, the Olympus uses plastic.

-Wolfgang
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Old September 9th 07, 09:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Has Sony/Pentax/Canon fixed their non-working anti-dust systems yet?


"Wolfgang Weisselberg" wrote in message
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RichA wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:22 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg


Since there is no real dust problem in the real world that
could be fixed by a dust shaker, there is no need to
introduce them except for some nervous marketing dudes.


Yes, certainly dust is no concern at all.


Yep.

Which of course is why
companies can charge $100 for a brush to remove it. Loupes to see it
in $300 kits, etc.


There's a sucker born every second, and the same type of people
buy de-oxygenated, magnetically aligned speaker cables at $$$
per metre.

And the'll pay $$$$ if one did dip the cable into the blood of
a black rooster, slaughtered at midnight under the full moon by
cutting it's throat with a silver knife in a circle or 5 black
candles.

If you use that as proof that ordinary speaker cables are
a concern, everyone will call you a moron.

Since you use the very same logic, I call you a moron.
Especially as there are much cheaper, just as good, solutions,
which you choose to overlook. After all, why spoil a frothing
rant with facts?

Olympus dust removal works, which is what galls users of brands that
implemented useless systems. With those cameras, it IS a useless add-
on that is just another system in their cameras to break.


My camera does not even _have_ dust removal system. So how
could I be galled? Blowing the sensor every 6 months and
swabbing it every 2 years does not amount to a problem, no
matter what you think.

BTW, the Olympus uses plastic.

-Wolfgang


Agree with every point except that one of my D-SLRs does have dust removal
and I expect that yours has a special coating to stop particles sticking to
the sensor.

Oh and yes, Rich is a moron, absolutely, a pretty stupid one actually and
you can quote me on that, repeatedly if you like.

Cheers.

Pete


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Old September 10th 07, 05:03 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
noname[_2_]
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Default Has Sony/Pentax/Canon fixed their non-working anti-dust systems yet? -- What Pentax anti-dust system?

RichA wrote:

Has Sony/Pentax/Canon fixed their non-working anti-dust systems yet?



Well, I don'' know about Sony or Canon, but the Pentax K10D doesn't
have an "anti-dust" system. It does have a two-stage 'dust reduction'
system (special coating and sensor shake) which helps to reduce the
problem of dust on the image sensor. And, in that regard, it works
very well indeed.

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