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raspberry pi noir
On 12/8/2014 10:37 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article 2014120807273769610-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: snip Not exactly an apples vs apples comparison. Two very different cameras with very different sensors and glass. Indeed - and below 5MP, which is what drunk Dave was talking about. I posted the above to support your claim that a low-resolution camera can take awesome shots. I think his point was that a photographer using a camera with less than 5 mp can take awesome shots. The point being that it's the photographer who takes the shots, not the camera. Yes a good photographer may take better shots if he uses a camera with a higher quality lens and/or sensor. But that is not the subject of this discussion. -- PeterN |
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raspberry pi noir
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:21:04 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: --- snip --- Back then the E775 was for me a novelty, and I didn't have an understanding of many of the issues relating to digital imaging. Most of my photograph at the time was done with a Yashica Electro 35(I loved that camera which I had since 1968 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashica_Electro_35), and a Pentax K1000. My wife was using a single focus Pentax compact, which did surprisingly well for what it was. The convenience of having that pocketable E775 handy, and not having to deal with film processing was for me revolutionary. ...and even then cars were a target. ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690.jpg I see from the XMP that you touched up the image just before you posted it. What did it look like in your original 2003 version? Just curious. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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raspberry pi noir
In article , John McWilliams
wrote: cameras don't take the shots. photographers do. all the camera does is affect the technical quality, not whether a shot is amazing or not. While the photographer is far more important than the equipment, some shots are simply not possible without good equipment. edge cases. it might be more difficult, such as a slower camera for sports, but it's not impossible. Technical quality comprises some to maybe most of a photo's appeal. other than very ****ty cameras, it's not that important, and even then, not always. I think most of the problem with the Coolpix is the pretty poor dynamic range and poor contrast. Shots needs some post loving small sensors have lower dynamic range than larger sensors, all other things being equal. it's basic physics. there's no getting around that. Yeah, you can't beat Mother Nature in the physics class! tell that to the sigma fanbois. |
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raspberry pi noir
On 2014-12-08 20:00:25 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:21:04 -0800, Savageduck wrote: --- snip --- Back then the E775 was for me a novelty, and I didn't have an understanding of many of the issues relating to digital imaging. Most of my photograph at the time was done with a Yashica Electro 35(I loved that camera which I had since 1968 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashica_Electro_35), and a Pentax K1000. My wife was using a single focus Pentax compact, which did surprisingly well for what it was. The convenience of having that pocketable E775 handy, and not having to deal with film processing was for me revolutionary. ...and even then cars were a target. ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690.jpg I see from the XMP that you touched up the image just before you posted it. What did it look like in your original 2003 version? Just curious. Just a little contrast bump, nothing exotic. Here is the unmolested original version. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690-1.JPG -- Regards, Savageduck |
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raspberry pi noir
In article 2014120809210464727-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:
Sandman: Indeed. Back then the E775 was for me a novelty, and I didn't have an understanding of many of the issues relating to digital imaging. Most of my photograph at the time was done with a Yashica Electro 35(I loved that camera which I had since 1968 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashica_Electro_35), and a Pentax K1000. My wife was using a single focus Pentax compact, which did surprisingly well for what it was. The convenience of having that pocketable E775 handy, and not having to deal with film processing was for me revolutionary. ...and even then cars were a target. ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690.jpg Indeed, I had a Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-P1 for the same reason. 3.3MP and a really crappy sensor. I still have it, but I doubt I could get the battery to charge. I shot analog with a Nikon F3, and I still have a couple of glass for it left. -- Sandman[.net] |
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raspberry pi noir
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:56:55 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On 2014-12-08 20:00:25 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:21:04 -0800, Savageduck wrote: --- snip --- Back then the E775 was for me a novelty, and I didn't have an understanding of many of the issues relating to digital imaging. Most of my photograph at the time was done with a Yashica Electro 35(I loved that camera which I had since 1968 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashica_Electro_35), and a Pentax K1000. My wife was using a single focus Pentax compact, which did surprisingly well for what it was. The convenience of having that pocketable E775 handy, and not having to deal with film processing was for me revolutionary. ...and even then cars were a target. ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690.jpg I see from the XMP that you touched up the image just before you posted it. What did it look like in your original 2003 version? Just curious. Just a little contrast bump, nothing exotic. Here is the unmolested original version. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690-1.JPG That's probably closer to the true appearance of the paintwork but your 'bumped' is a considerable improvement as an illustration. Is that you yesterday chose to bump the result of ten years of experience? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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raspberry pi noir
On 2014-12-08 23:33:57 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:56:55 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-12-08 20:00:25 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:21:04 -0800, Savageduck wrote: --- snip --- Back then the E775 was for me a novelty, and I didn't have an understanding of many of the issues relating to digital imaging. Most of my photograph at the time was done with a Yashica Electro 35(I loved that camera which I had since 1968 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashica_Electro_35), and a Pentax K1000. My wife was using a single focus Pentax compact, which did surprisingly well for what it was. The convenience of having that pocketable E775 handy, and not having to deal with film processing was for me revolutionary. ...and even then cars were a target. ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690.jpg I see from the XMP that you touched up the image just before you posted it. What did it look like in your original 2003 version? Just curious. Just a little contrast bump, nothing exotic. Here is the unmolested original version. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSCN0690-1.JPG That's probably closer to the true appearance of the paintwork but your 'bumped' is a considerable improvement as an illustration. Is that you yesterday chose to bump the result of ten years of experience? I couldn't resist the temptation to tinker. ;-) -- Regards, Savageduck |
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raspberry pi noir
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 03:27:05 -0800, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:09:53 UTC, PeterN wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:39 AM, Whisky-dave wrote: snip But going by some on the NG you can;t be a p[hotographer unless you spend a fortune on equipment. Very few would say that. And IMHO, few who might, would rarely be a good photographer. -- PeterN Well how can you get a 'good' photo with just a 5meg pixel camera and think of the size of the actual sensor, you'd be laughed at if you entered in to a competition up against even the average DLSR camera. I really don;t see the quality of a pi camera at 17 quid which includes the lens, sensor is fixed focus and fixed aperature being able to comptete. Still don't get the point, do you? |
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On 2014-12-09 03:44:04 +0000, ray carter said:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 03:27:05 -0800, Whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:09:53 UTC, PeterN wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:39 AM, Whisky-dave wrote: snip But going by some on the NG you can;t be a p[hotographer unless you spend a fortune on equipment. Very few would say that. And IMHO, few who might, would rarely be a good photographer. -- PeterN Well how can you get a 'good' photo with just a 5meg pixel camera and think of the size of the actual sensor, you'd be laughed at if you entered in to a competition up against even the average DLSR camera. I really don;t see the quality of a pi camera at 17 quid which includes the lens, sensor is fixed focus and fixed aperature being able to comptete. Still don't get the point, do you? It's a geek tinker fest not a D4! -- Regards, Savageduck |
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raspberry pi noir
In article , ray carter wrote:
PeterN: snip Whisky-dave: But going by some on the NG you can;t be a p[hotographer unless you spend a fortune on equipment. PeterN: Very few would say that. And IMHO, few who might, would rarely be a good photographer. -- PeterN Whisky-dave: Well how can you get a 'good' photo with just a 5meg pixel camera and think of the size of the actual sensor, you'd be laughed at if you entered in to a competition up against even the average DLSR camera. I really don;t see the quality of a pi camera at 17 quid which includes the lens, sensor is fixed focus and fixed aperature being able to comptete. Still don't get the point, do you? This is Dave, he is point-repellant. -- Sandman[.net] |
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