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Terry Pinnell wrote:
Arthur Entlich wrote: That's what I was trying to explain via this word description in a previous email, perhaps not very effectively... Also, if you print the card the right way and do a four way fold, if you print the front and back in one direction, and the inside panels upside down and fold it, you can print the whole card on one sheet on one side. Using a full letter size (8.5" x 11" page, the card will end up folded dimensions of 5.5" x 4.25" front surface with the two inside panels being 5.5" x 8.5" total. Art snip Ah, so you did, sorry! I must have skated quickly over that. Then used the time gained by re-inventing the technique ;-) But I do admit to feeling quite pleased with it. The finished card looks pretty good. In fact I spent another hour or two going back over the various files I'd used and making a 'template' which I can use in future, hopefully in a fraction of the time that the original one took. It also positions each of the 4 sections more symmetrically - that was the main aspect with which I felt dissatisfied. I had to resort to trial and error again to achieve these correct margins on each section. In essence, I pushed each one diagonally out towards its corner. With a wedding anniversary due soon, I'm thinking I might try the single-fold alternative, to get a larger card. But I'm still keen to make both sides glossy, so still hope someone can recommend suitable (UK-supplied) paper please. And of course that will need a redesign of all the image sizes and positions. Maybe a trip to WH Smith would be easier ... but where's the fun in that?! Chuckle You know, 20 years ago, when I was using an Atari 800 to do my computing, we had a program by the name of Print Shop that did all that layout stuff for you, just as Art described. You selected the clip art, typed in the text when asked, and the program took care of sizing and aligning everything so it would fold into a perfect card. Oh, the clip art was simple and clunky by today's standards, and so were the fonts, and all the printing was done in black, but we were using an 8-bit computer to print graphics on a 9-pin dot matrix printer and we all thought they looked pretty darn good. What mattered was that we were being creative and best of all, having FUN. TJ |
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Terry Pinnell wrote:
Arthur Entlich wrote: Is the paper thin enough to clear through the paper transport? Is the paper thick or rigid enough to get through the printer, and not get too wet and soft, or bleed ink through the back? I like printing color architectural renderings on thin tracing paper. It has a nice tight almost glossy surface and doesn't require much ink. It might be interesting with photos as an artsy experiment :-) It's amazing such flimsy stuff can be fed through an inkjet. .-------------------------------------. |.----------------. .----------------.| || | | || || Back | | Front || || | | || |'----------------' '----------------'| |.----------------. .----------------.| || | | || || Inside Left | | Inside Left || || | | || |'----------------' '----------------'| '-------------------------------------' The major problem I had was getting the images and gaps positioned correctly for the folds. I was using PaintShop Pro 8, but I'm darned if I've ever properly understood why the Print Preview can't give a workably accurate representation of what I'll actually get. In the end I resorted to trial/error, using b/w economy mode. If anyone has any practical advice on this aspect I'd appreciate hearing it please. Again, in reference to architectural CAD plotting: "plotting is always painful" it is really hard to place things on the page and know the margins. Ultimately trial and error, then plugging the real margins into the custom paper size of the print driver and some registration marks in the artwork so you can see where the margins are. Plus some room for slop. |
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Terry Pinnell observed
With a wedding anniversary due soon, I'm thinking I might try the single-fold alternative, to get a larger card. But I'm still keen to make both sides glossy, so still hope someone can recommend suitable (UK-supplied) paper please. And of course that will need a redesign of all the image sizes and positions. Maybe a trip to WH Smith would be easier ... but where's the fun in that?! Any particular reason why you ignored my post of March 16th? Repeat:- My once favourite paper supplier (good deliver, reasonable prices) recently blotted its copybook with me, by moving to the Channel Isles, now the service is like other off shore companies. However I have enjoyed the Think double sided matt paper for some years. My last delivery was at increased price and the thickness (but not the weight) has decreased. However, I still think the following may suit you:- http://www.choicestationery.co.uk/Product.asp?Prd=17342 Mike -- Michael J Davis Some newsgroup contributors appear to have confused the meaning of "discussion" with "digression". |
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It sounds that that paper is glossy one side and fairly matte the other
side. It is darn expensive! Art Terry Pinnell wrote: Thanks Jim. Found several candidates, although they are a bit pricey. Also, not sure any of them are glossy on *both* sides. This looks closest, assuming 'satin' is rather like gloss: ImaJet-Folex Hi & Dri 2/Side Coated Photo Gloss / Photo Matt Paper 220gsm; 1/Side Hi & Dri Photo-Gloss paper with the renowned Satin Matt Coating on the reverse. 50 sheets A4 @ £25.00 (+VAT). |
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I'm not sure if Print Shop is still out there (I had the Commodore
64/128 version, and the Amiga Version, as I recall), but I'm sure their are some similar templates and programs like that today if you look around... maybe even freeware. I rarely use templates in my graphics work, but programs like Corel PrintHouse or PrintMaster or even some of the more consumer oriented Adobe products may offer such options. Art TJ wrote: Terry Pinnell wrote: Arthur Entlich wrote: That's what I was trying to explain via this word description in a previous email, perhaps not very effectively... Also, if you print the card the right way and do a four way fold, if you print the front and back in one direction, and the inside panels upside down and fold it, you can print the whole card on one sheet on one side. Using a full letter size (8.5" x 11" page, the card will end up folded dimensions of 5.5" x 4.25" front surface with the two inside panels being 5.5" x 8.5" total. Art snip Ah, so you did, sorry! I must have skated quickly over that. Then used the time gained by re-inventing the technique ;-) But I do admit to feeling quite pleased with it. The finished card looks pretty good. In fact I spent another hour or two going back over the various files I'd used and making a 'template' which I can use in future, hopefully in a fraction of the time that the original one took. It also positions each of the 4 sections more symmetrically - that was the main aspect with which I felt dissatisfied. I had to resort to trial and error again to achieve these correct margins on each section. In essence, I pushed each one diagonally out towards its corner. With a wedding anniversary due soon, I'm thinking I might try the single-fold alternative, to get a larger card. But I'm still keen to make both sides glossy, so still hope someone can recommend suitable (UK-supplied) paper please. And of course that will need a redesign of all the image sizes and positions. Maybe a trip to WH Smith would be easier ... but where's the fun in that?! Chuckle You know, 20 years ago, when I was using an Atari 800 to do my computing, we had a program by the name of Print Shop that did all that layout stuff for you, just as Art described. You selected the clip art, typed in the text when asked, and the program took care of sizing and aligning everything so it would fold into a perfect card. Oh, the clip art was simple and clunky by today's standards, and so were the fonts, and all the printing was done in black, but we were using an 8-bit computer to print graphics on a 9-pin dot matrix printer and we all thought they looked pretty darn good. What mattered was that we were being creative and best of all, having FUN. TJ |
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Hi Paul,
Are you referring to a tracing Vellum? Some of them are really interesting to print on with inkjet. Art Paul Furman wrote: Terry Pinnell wrote: Arthur Entlich wrote: Is the paper thin enough to clear through the paper transport? Is the paper thick or rigid enough to get through the printer, and not get too wet and soft, or bleed ink through the back? I like printing color architectural renderings on thin tracing paper. It has a nice tight almost glossy surface and doesn't require much ink. It might be interesting with photos as an artsy experiment :-) It's amazing such flimsy stuff can be fed through an inkjet. .-------------------------------------. |.----------------. .----------------.| || | | || || Back | | Front || || | | || |'----------------' '----------------'| |.----------------. .----------------.| || | | || || Inside Left | | Inside Left || || | | || |'----------------' '----------------'| '-------------------------------------' The major problem I had was getting the images and gaps positioned correctly for the folds. I was using PaintShop Pro 8, but I'm darned if I've ever properly understood why the Print Preview can't give a workably accurate representation of what I'll actually get. In the end I resorted to trial/error, using b/w economy mode. If anyone has any practical advice on this aspect I'd appreciate hearing it please. Again, in reference to architectural CAD plotting: "plotting is always painful" it is really hard to place things on the page and know the margins. Ultimately trial and error, then plugging the real margins into the custom paper size of the print driver and some registration marks in the artwork so you can see where the margins are. Plus some room for slop. |
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Michael J Davis wrote:
Terry Pinnell observed With a wedding anniversary due soon, I'm thinking I might try the single-fold alternative, to get a larger card. But I'm still keen to make both sides glossy, so still hope someone can recommend suitable (UK-supplied) paper please. And of course that will need a redesign of all the image sizes and positions. Maybe a trip to WH Smith would be easier ... but where's the fun in that?! Any particular reason why you ignored my post of March 16th? Repeat:- My once favourite paper supplier (good deliver, reasonable prices) recently blotted its copybook with me, by moving to the Channel Isles, now the service is like other off shore companies. However I have enjoyed the Think double sided matt paper for some years. My last delivery was at increased price and the thickness (but not the weight) has decreased. However, I still think the following may suit you:- http://www.choicestationery.co.uk/Product.asp?Prd=17342 Mike Thanks, but as I said I'd really like gloss, and that's matt. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Arthur Entlich wrote:
I'm not sure if Print Shop is still out there (I had the Commodore 64/128 version, and the Amiga Version, as I recall), but I'm sure their are some similar templates and programs like that today if you look around... maybe even freeware. I rarely use templates in my graphics work, but programs like Corel PrintHouse or PrintMaster or even some of the more consumer oriented Adobe products may offer such options. Art http://www.broderbund.com/jump.jsp?i...C2%2 C6%2C413 Print Master is there, too. TJ |
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Arthur Entlich wrote:
Hi Paul, Are you referring to a tracing Vellum? Some of them are really interesting to print on with inkjet. Thinner, clearer, cheaper & smoother than vellum: called 'trace' or 'onion skin' comes in white and yellow, you just rip it off the roll when sketching. Translucent like mylar. Paul Furman wrote: Terry Pinnell wrote: Arthur Entlich wrote: Is the paper thin enough to clear through the paper transport? Is the paper thick or rigid enough to get through the printer, and not get too wet and soft, or bleed ink through the back? I like printing color architectural renderings on thin tracing paper. It has a nice tight almost glossy surface and doesn't require much ink. It might be interesting with photos as an artsy experiment :-) It's amazing such flimsy stuff can be fed through an inkjet. |
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Terry Pinnell observed
Michael J Davis wrote: Terry Pinnell observed With a wedding anniversary due soon, I'm thinking I might try the single-fold alternative, to get a larger card. But I'm still keen to make both sides glossy, so still hope someone can recommend suitable (UK-supplied) paper please. And of course that will need a redesign of all the image sizes and positions. Maybe a trip to WH Smith would be easier ... but where's the fun in that?! Any particular reason why you ignored my post of March 16th? Repeat:- My once favourite paper supplier (good deliver, reasonable prices) recently blotted its copybook with me, by moving to the Channel Isles, now the service is like other off shore companies. However I have enjoyed the Think double sided matt paper for some years. My last delivery was at increased price and the thickness (but not the weight) has decreased. However, I still think the following may suit you:- http://www.choicestationery.co.uk/Product.asp?Prd=17342 Thanks, but as I said I'd really like gloss, and that's matt. Oh, sorry! I find it ideal for cards! No I don't know of any decent gloss 2 sided. Mike [The reply-to address is valid for 30 days from this posting] -- Michael J Davis Some newsgroup contributors appear to have confused the meaning of "discussion" with "digression". |
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