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Adobe must be hurting for money
On 18/11/2011, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-11-17 00:09:45 -0800, N said: On 16/11/2011, Rich wrote: I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system. http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and- adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997 For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6. I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product. They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom. I use Bridge for keywording, not editing. -- N |
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On 2011-11-18 13:45:40 -0800, N said:
On 18/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-17 00:09:45 -0800, N said: On 16/11/2011, Rich wrote: I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system. http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and- adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997 For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6. I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product. They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom. I use Bridge for keywording, not editing. ....nobody has claimed that Bridge is used for editing. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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"PeterN" wrote in message ... I don't see the relationship of the title to the facts presented. Actually, it is one of his better posts. He's telling us that Adobe is changing its upgrade policy, and giving advance notice, together with some upgrade discount. that's good. What's not good is the concessionary title. The title is based upon a totally unfounded statement. -- Peter Peter, as I said "It is one of his better posts." Most are worse. Rich uses the same "sensational/inflammatory/alarmist/shame-on-you" techniques used by many modern journalists. Maybe he is one? He certainly knows how to create subject lines that suck the rest of us in. If nothing else, he is a sly and crafty troll. |
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On 19/11/2011, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-11-18 13:45:40 -0800, N said: On 18/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-17 00:09:45 -0800, N said: On 16/11/2011, Rich wrote: I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system. http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and- adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997 For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6. I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product. They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom. I use Bridge for keywording, not editing. ...nobody has claimed that Bridge is used for editing. But doesn't Lightroom do photo editing? It's many years since I downloaded a trial of Lightroom. -- N |
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On 2011-11-18 14:56:40 -0800, N said:
On 19/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-18 13:45:40 -0800, N said: On 18/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-17 00:09:45 -0800, N said: On 16/11/2011, Rich wrote: I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system. http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and- adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997 For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6. I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product. They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom. I use Bridge for keywording, not editing. ...nobody has claimed that Bridge is used for editing. But doesn't Lightroom do photo editing? It's many years since I downloaded a trial of Lightroom. Exactly. Lightroom is Bridge with a pretty UI and editing ability. Lightroom is also used to seamlessly make non-destructive adjustments to RAW files converted to DNG. It can also make non-destructive adjustments and edits to JPEGS or by adding edit instructions to "Virtual copies" thereby retaining an unmolested original or a particular version of an adjusted/edited image file. Lightroom can be rightly described as Bridge on steroids. Bridge is only available as a component of Photoshop, therefore it has no need to be able to do any editing. It uses ACR if the files to be worked on are in a RAW format and all editing is done in Photoshop. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 11/18/2011 5:23 PM, Charles wrote:
"PeterN" wrote in message ... I don't see the relationship of the title to the facts presented. Actually, it is one of his better posts. He's telling us that Adobe is changing its upgrade policy, and giving advance notice, together with some upgrade discount. that's good. What's not good is the concessionary title. The title is based upon a totally unfounded statement. Sly, yes. Crafty No. I suspect malicious, though -- Peter |
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On 19/11/2011, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-11-18 14:56:40 -0800, N said: On 19/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-18 13:45:40 -0800, N said: On 18/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-17 00:09:45 -0800, N said: On 16/11/2011, Rich wrote: I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system. http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and- adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997 For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6. I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product. They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom. I use Bridge for keywording, not editing. ...nobody has claimed that Bridge is used for editing. But doesn't Lightroom do photo editing? It's many years since I downloaded a trial of Lightroom. Exactly. Lightroom is Bridge with a pretty UI and editing ability. Lightroom is also used to seamlessly make non-destructive adjustments to RAW files converted to DNG. It can also make non-destructive adjustments and edits to JPEGS or by adding edit instructions to "Virtual copies" thereby retaining an unmolested original or a particular version of an adjusted/edited image file. Lightroom can be rightly described as Bridge on steroids. Bridge is only available as a component of Photoshop, therefore it has no need to be able to do any editing. It uses ACR if the files to be worked on are in a RAW format and all editing is done in Photoshop. Doesn't Lightroom store the data in a database and you have to export the files if you want to move them around? I think that was what turned me off the product. I use ViewNX to copy files from cards to computer adding the major tags as it does so. If the files are to get GPS info, then I import the track log into ViewNX. I use CNX to edit raw files and output JPG. I then use Bridge to add appropriate tags to the JPG files and I use a Photoshop vbs script to resize and frame the photos. I use a program I wrote to upload to Flickr. I rarely use Photoshop GUI for my photos, but I do use it for work images as I am a developer of inhouse web sites. Like many I had planned to use the leapfrog method to update Photoshop. Like many Australians who use legitimate Adobe products, I'm appalled by the pricing policy. PS CS5 upgrade in the US is $199, in Aus it's $306. -- N |
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On 2011-11-18 17:22:35 -0800, N said:
On 19/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-18 14:56:40 -0800, N said: On 19/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-18 13:45:40 -0800, N said: On 18/11/2011, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-11-17 00:09:45 -0800, N said: On 16/11/2011, Rich wrote: I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system. http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and- adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997 For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6. I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product. They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom. I use Bridge for keywording, not editing. ...nobody has claimed that Bridge is used for editing. But doesn't Lightroom do photo editing? It's many years since I downloaded a trial of Lightroom. Exactly. Lightroom is Bridge with a pretty UI and editing ability. Lightroom is also used to seamlessly make non-destructive adjustments to RAW files converted to DNG. It can also make non-destructive adjustments and edits to JPEGS or by adding edit instructions to "Virtual copies" thereby retaining an unmolested original or a particular version of an adjusted/edited image file. Lightroom can be rightly described as Bridge on steroids. Bridge is only available as a component of Photoshop, therefore it has no need to be able to do any editing. It uses ACR if the files to be worked on are in a RAW format and all editing is done in Photoshop. Doesn't Lightroom store the data in a database and you have to export the files if you want to move them around? I think that was what turned me off the product. Just slightly different methodology. If you want to see something truly disturbing you should see what Apple does to those folks who stick with iPhoto. Lightroom maintains what might be termed a tracking data base. However you have a high degree of flexibility as to where on your HD you store the files and where and how they are imported into Lightroom. The first thing to be aware of is all the work you do in Lightroom is done in a virtual world, so to take that virtual copy you have worked on and finished into the real world you have to export it. This can be your final output to full size jpeg, or it could be an export to another external editor such as one of the HDR processors, or export for e-mail. ....or even export to DNG. If you are working in nothing but JPEG in Lightroom you should remember that the adjustments you make in Lightroom are non-destructive and reversible up to the point you export a finished file. Also if you choose to take the adjusted RAW/DNG image file from Lightroom into Photoshop, it will open in Photoshop as if you had made similar RAW adjustments in ACR. It is actually a very flexible system. it is just a matter of developing a work flow you are comfortable with. I use ViewNX to copy files from cards to computer adding the major tags as it does so. If the files are to get GPS info, then I import the track log into ViewNX. I use CNX to edit raw files and output JPG. I then use Bridge to add appropriate tags to the JPG files and I use a Photoshop vbs script to resize and frame the photos. I use a program I wrote to upload to Flickr. I rarely use Photoshop GUI for my photos, but I do use it for work images as I am a developer of inhouse web sites. All the tags you add in Bridge can also be added in Lightroom. ....and all of that is still achievable with Lightroom, however as I have said earlier, I have pretty much left Lightroom out of my CS5 work flow since the CS5 implementation of Bridge is a very different animal when compared to the previous offerings. I might choose to return to Lightroom if Adobe makes further Photoshop upgrades for a retired hobbyist unreasonably economically burdonsome. Like many I had planned to use the leapfrog method to update Photoshop. Like many Australians who use legitimate Adobe products, I'm appalled by the pricing policy. PS CS5 upgrade in the US is $199, in Aus it's $306. That is ridiculous since the Aus $ is basically on a par with the US$ right now. It is almost worth while to have some wandering Aussie passing through the US to pick up an upgrade for you in their travels. It might even be worth while to have a US vendor mail it to you. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 19/11/2011, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-11-18 17:22:35 -0800, N said: Like many Australians who use legitimate Adobe products, I'm appalled by the pricing policy. PS CS5 upgrade in the US is $199, in Aus it's $306. That is ridiculous since the Aus $ is basically on a par with the US$ right now. It is almost worth while to have some wandering Aussie passing through the US to pick up an upgrade for you in their travels. It might even be worth while to have a US vendor mail it to you. Yes, it is ridiculous and when I looked a few minutes later this morning it showed $336, which it had shown before it showed $306. The price section of that page is dynamic and it may have misinterpreted my IP address for some quirky reason. Lots of hardware vendors have adjusted their prices but the software vendors haven't. -- N |
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Bruce wrote:
nick c wrote: I used to upgrade Photoshop when a new one was released but now I don't do that anymore. I stopped upgrading when I bought CS3, which suites me fine. It will probably suit you fine until you buy a new camera which needs an upgrade to Adobe Camera Raw. Then you will find that the latest version of Adobe Camera Raw won't work with CS3. I heed what you say, Bruce. In my case, I don't see a new camera on the foreseeable horizon of my photographic needs (or wants). Should Adobe turn push into shove, I can (and will) do well enough without Adobe. I'm cultivating a growing interest in Nikon's Capture NX2 program. Capture NX2 is a very good program and I think it cost less than an Adobe upgrade. Adobe Photoshop is very good too; hell ..... I might even say it's great but not being a pro, I can't see myself being an Adobe captive. Of course you will still be able to use the RAW converter that came with the camera. |
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