dig. camera suggestions

David J Taylor wrote:

Ståle Sannerud wrote:
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An EVF camera won't do much for low-light shooting though, will it? I
mean, they are basically just a typically tiny point-and-shoot camera
sensor wrapped in a DSLR-styled body after all.

An EVF can help a lot in low-light conditions, as they can provide a gain
not possible with the optical viewfinders in DSLRs and other cameras. You
can almost see things in the EVF which are difficult to see with the naked
eye! But not all cameras offer the "gain-up" viewfinder mode required for
this.

David


Hello, David:

The Kodak EVF's do exactly that, actually.


Cordially,
John Turco

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:15:20 +0100, Ståle Sannerud wrote:

"David J Taylor"
wrote in message . uk...
Ståle Sannerud wrote:
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An EVF camera won't do much for low-light shooting though, will it? I
mean, they are basically just a typically tiny point-and-shoot camera
sensor wrapped in a DSLR-styled body after all.

An EVF can help a lot in low-light conditions, as they can provide a gain
not possible with the optical viewfinders in DSLRs and other cameras. You
can almost see things in the EVF which are difficult to see with the naked
eye! But not all cameras offer the "gain-up" viewfinder mode required for
this.

David

The EVF will pump the light-gain like crazy, so I agree that the view
through the viewfinder will be bright and nice. Very true.

But the images captured by the sensor and stored on the memory card will
still suck, with massive point-and-shoot-sensor ISO noise (alternatively
over-processed buttery-soft images due to equally massive noise reduction
done to mask the ISO noise). And that's what matters in photography, yes?

To some extent, that's what matters - to some of us price matters too.

Ståle Sannerud wrote:
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The EVF will pump the light-gain like crazy, so I agree that the view
through the viewfinder will be bright and nice. Very true.

But the images captured by the sensor and stored on the memory card
will still suck, with massive point-and-shoot-sensor ISO noise
(alternatively over-processed buttery-soft images due to equally
massive noise reduction done to mask the ISO noise). And that's what
matters in photography, yes?

The images are only noisy if you increase the ISO - that's your choice.
You may be able to use a longer exposure in low-light conditions instead.

And who says that noise, as such, detracts from all images? It's not in
fashion right now, but look at the many grainy B&W shots from some years
back - the grain adds to, rather than detracts from, the atmosphere of the
shot. Try it for yourself.

David

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:15:20 +0100, "Ståle Sannerud"
wrote:

But the images captured by the sensor and stored on the memory card will
still suck, with massive point-and-shoot-sensor ISO noise (alternatively
over-processed buttery-soft images due to equally massive noise reduction
done to mask the ISO noise). And that's what matters in photography, yes?

Maybe.
To some, the object is, as you say above, to make the image the be-all
and end-all.
To many, photography is a hobby - read: adults playing with toys.
The object is to enjoy it, not to chase perfection.
To each his own; but let's not mistake what each individual among us
wants for what everyone else wants.

What *I* want from photography may not match what *you* want from
photography, but there's room for all of us.
:-)

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reform legislation on Tuesday.
It calls for lawmakers to pay the
real cost of corporate jet flights
and the full cost of skybox tickets
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of Old Yeller.

Thanks everybody!! I am looking into all your suggestions! The
guidance is much appreciated.


On Jan 13, 11:01 am, "David J Taylor" -
this-bit.nor-this-part.uk wrote:
Ståle Sannerud wrote:

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The EVF will pump the light-gain like crazy, so I agree that the view
through the viewfinder will be bright and nice. Very true.

But the images captured by the sensor and stored on the memory card
will still suck, with massive point-and-shoot-sensor ISO noise
(alternatively over-processed buttery-soft images due to equally
massive noise reduction done to mask the ISO noise). And that's what
matters in photography, yes?

The images are only noisy if you increase the ISO - that's your choice.
You may be able to use a longer exposure in low-light conditions instead.

And who says that noise, as such, detracts from all images? It's not in
fashion right now, but look at the many grainy B&W shots from some years
back - the grain adds to, rather than detracts from, the atmosphere of the
shot. Try it for yourself.

David