Preserve Android meta-data

On 06/27/2017 11:58 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 27-Jun-17 5:37 PM, nospam wrote:
In ,
wrote:

Just returned home from a wonderful vacation to Europe and got some
great photos on my Android LG- G6

On the device when I examine photo details I ma given a slew of info. In
addition to shutter speed and f-stop I get the exact date and time plus
exact street address, city and country.

When I copy the images to my Win10 PC using ...Photoshop CS-6... though
much of the meta-data is preserved

*all* of it is. every single bit.

for GPS location I get the latitude
and longitude but do not get the actual street address , city and
country is is present on the Android.

because the software you used on your computer didn't reverse geocode
the gps coordinates.

the address itself is not in the photos. only the gps coordinates.

Anyone here know how to preserve all the camera's meta-data ?

all of it is preserved.

you just need different software, one that does a reverse geocode.

I'm responding so that Philo might just read what you have said.

Why?
There is no need to act as a repeater. Philo is a regular here, and he is as
likely to have read nospam’s post as any of us.

Are you able to suggest what additional software he may need?

He should be able to get by with what he has, PS CS6 + Bridge CS6, otherwise
there is always EXIFTool.




Yes. I am a bit tired now from my vacation and will indeed look into
EXIFTool thank you.

In article , philo
wrote:

When I copy the images to my Win10 PC using ...Photoshop CS-6... though
much of the meta-data is preserved for GPS location I get the latitude
and longitude but do not get the actual street address , city and
country is is present on the Android.

Anyone here know how to preserve all the camera's meta-data ?

How important is it for you to have actual street, city, and country as part
of the metadata?

I think that years from now I might find it very helpful.
Though certainly not essential, as long as the data are there, I'd like
to preserve it.

it's there unless you delete it.

Does your phone export the EXIF, GPS, and IPTC metadata, or have you got a
setting in the phone which strips specific location data in a privacy
setting?

Will have to look into that, but it appears simply that Photoshop is not
picking up all there is.

it picks it up, it's just not reverse geocoding what it finds.

On Jun 27, 2017, philo wrote
(in article ):

On 06/27/2017 10:50 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 27, 2017, philo wrote
(in article ):

Just returned home from a wonderful vacation to Europe and got some
great photos on my Android LG- G6

On the device when I examine photo details I ma given a slew of info. In
addition to shutter speed and f-stop I get the exact date and time plus
exact street address, city and country.

When I copy the images to my Win10 PC using ...Photoshop CS-6... though
much of the meta-data is preserved for GPS location I get the latitude
and longitude but do not get the actual street address , city and
country is is present on the Android.

Anyone here know how to preserve all the camera's meta-data ?

How important is it for you to have actual street, city, and country as part
of the metadata?

I think that years from now I might find it very helpful.
Though certainly not essential, as long as the data are there, I'd like
to preserve it.

I am assuming that you don’t use Lightroom, but with CS6 you should have
Bridge which might give you some of the tools you need.

Does your phone export the EXIF, GPS, and IPTC metadata, or have you got a
setting in the phone which strips specific location data in a privacy
setting?

Will have to look into that, but it appears simply that Photoshop is not
picking up all there is.

Which specific Android camera data is not part of the transfer?

I really don’t know of any currently available GPS accessory, or logger
which will provide more specific GPS/GEOTag information other than the raw
Lat/Long/Alt/Time data. I use the Nikon GPS-1 with my D300S and my Fujifilm
cameras sync with the Fujifilm app on my iPhone via WiFi to tag the the image
files. The GPS tags on my phone do not provide info such as street and or
street number, or business name, city, or country, just where the tags are
positioned on a map such as found in the Lightroom Maps module.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/khfqlahx3nak8p6/screenshot_71.jpg

It is worth noting that location information other than GPS data is recorded
or noted in the IPTC, and IPTC Extension metadata sectors. As of now I have
no idea how to ensure the full transfer of that data. So the last resort is
to make that entry manually.

Typically camera and exposure details are contained in the EXIF data. GPS,
GEOTags are recorded as latitude, longitude, altitude, and time of capture,
as GPS data seperate from the EXIF. The usual place to find, or enter
specific location information is in the IPTC data. You are going to have to
enter that manually either with PS CS6, Exiftool, or another metadata
editor.
Since you have PS CS6, and probably Bridge CS6, you should be able to enter
that specific street address, city, and country data in the Info IPTC panel.
Using Bridge you should be able to apply that data to batches of image files
with the same location data.

I know I could do it manually but with 1000 images doing so would be
impractical.

You might find that it isn’t necessary to make that particular data entry
for all of the images. Another thought would be to see if there is another
viewer which gives you access to all of the Android image data.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

"philo" wrote

| On the device when I examine photo details I ma given a slew of info. In
| addition to shutter speed and f-stop I get the exact date and time plus
| exact street address, city and country.
|

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that's coming from Google
Maps and is some kind of custom display -- blending
that data, probably a freebie perq of using Android --
with the actual EXIF data. There's no way to resolve
GPS to address otherwise. A camera alone can't do it.
It would need to reference Google's database, or some
other, equally gigantic and accurate database. So
probably what you want is an app to auto-transfer that
data -- which seems to be only temporarily presented
when viewing on the Android device -- to data
headers in the image files. As SD said, it would normally
go in the IPTC header rather than EXIF.

The other, less likely, possibility would be that Android
is conveniently putting those IPTC tags in the image file
but that CS-6 -- or whatever viewer you're using --
doesn't see them. IPTC is not widely supported and if
they're in EXIF it's likely that they'd be custom tags not
recognized by non-Google software.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:


| On the device when I examine photo details I ma given a slew of info. In
| addition to shutter speed and f-stop I get the exact date and time plus
| exact street address, city and country.
|

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that's coming from Google
Maps and is some kind of custom display -- blending
that data, probably a freebie perq of using Android --
with the actual EXIF data.

sort of, and not android specific.

There's no way to resolve
GPS to address otherwise.

yes there is.

all that's needed is reverse geocode the gps coordinates, which are in
every photo (unless the gps can't get a fix).

https://www.mapdevelopers.com/reverse_geocode_tool.php
https://www.doogal.co.uk/BatchReverseGeocoding.php

use negative numbers for w longitudes or s latitudes.
40.7484, -73.9857 is the empire state building.

A camera alone can't do it.

yes it can. hundreds of millions of cameras do it every day.

It would need to reference Google's database, or some
other, equally gigantic and accurate database.

otherwise known as apple maps, bing maps or openstreet maps.

So
probably what you want is an app to auto-transfer that
data -- which seems to be only temporarily presented
when viewing on the Android device -- to data
headers in the image files. As SD said, it would normally
go in the IPTC header rather than EXIF.

once reversed, the address can be written to metadata or kept in a
separate database, but it's often reversed on the fly whenever the
image is viewed.

The other, less likely, possibility would be that Android
is conveniently putting those IPTC tags in the image file
but that CS-6 -- or whatever viewer you're using --
doesn't see them.

more than likely it isn't, because if it did, they'd show up.

IPTC is not widely supported and if
they're in EXIF it's likely that they'd be custom tags not
recognized by non-Google software.

iptc is widely supported.

On 27/06/2017 21:24, Savageduck wrote:
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There are times nospam can be quite aggravating, and argumentative due to his
position on many polarizing issues, but there are times he can provide some
useful information. However, there are many times he can be evasive, and
engage in never ending circular arguments with specific individuals.

The amount of incorrect information (putting it politely) far outweighs
anything useful, and it's really annoying when people repeat the drivel.
KF is the best place for him/her/it!

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On 06/27/2017 08:40 PM, Savageduck wrote:


Will have to look into that, but it appears simply that Photoshop is not
picking up all there is.

Since you have PS CS6, and probably Bridge CS6, you should be able to enter
that specific street address, city, and country data in the Info IPTC panel.
Using Bridge you should be able to apply that data to batches of image files
with the same location data.



Few photos have the same location...

sure would like an easy way to do this


I know I could do it manually but with 1000 images doing so would be
impractical.

You might find that it isn’t necessary to make that particular data entry
for all of the images. Another thought would be to see if there is another
viewer which gives you access to all of the Android image data.

"nospam" wrote

| There's no way to resolve
| GPS to address otherwise.
|
| yes there is.
|
| all that's needed is reverse geocode the gps coordinates, which are in
| every photo (unless the gps can't get a fix).
|

What I meant was that it's not in the camera. Your
links are an example. You're going to an outside service
to make the translation. The phone or tablet has to
somehow make remote contact to a database.
Capisce?

I'm guessing that Android devices might incorporate a
connection to the Google Maps database that happens
transparently. That would explain why the data is on
Android and not on iPhone. It might also explain why the
data doesn't travel with the image. It would be just like
Google to cross-connect those services but make them
only work as long as one is not straying from the Googleville
asylum.
That's why I suggested there might be an app. If the
lookup has been done by the device then all that remains
is for an app to embed the data into the JPG image file
header.

On 6/27/2017 12:37 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , philo
wrote:

Just returned home from a wonderful vacation to Europe and got some
great photos on my Android LG- G6

On the device when I examine photo details I ma given a slew of info. In
addition to shutter speed and f-stop I get the exact date and time plus
exact street address, city and country.

When I copy the images to my Win10 PC using ...Photoshop CS-6... though
much of the meta-data is preserved

*all* of it is. every single bit.

for GPS location I get the latitude
and longitude but do not get the actual street address , city and
country is is present on the Android.

because the software you used on your computer didn't reverse geocode
the gps coordinates.

the address itself is not in the photos. only the gps coordinates.

Anyone here know how to preserve all the camera's meta-data ?

all of it is preserved.

you just need different software, one that does a reverse geocode.


Another helpful response.
Philo wold like a suggestion, and or recommendation. I did not answer,
because I do not know. You obviously do, so just respond to his
question, or STFU.


--
PeterN

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| There's no way to resolve
| GPS to address otherwise.
|
| yes there is.
|
| all that's needed is reverse geocode the gps coordinates, which are in
| every photo (unless the gps can't get a fix).
|

What I meant was that it's not in the camera.

the camera writes gps coordinates at the time the photo was taken,
which means it *is* in the camera.

there's a couple billion cameras with gps out there.

Your
links are an example. You're going to an outside service
to make the translation. The phone or tablet has to
somehow make remote contact to a database.
Capisce?

that's exactly what i said originally.

at least you finally understand it, although based on the other stuff
you've written, you *still* don't quite grasp how it works.

I'm guessing that Android devices might incorporate a
connection to the Google Maps database that happens
transparently.

it depends on the app.

most android apps likely use google maps, but theyy could use open
street maps, bing maps or various others.

That would explain why the data is on
Android and not on iPhone.

nobody said anything about an iphone, however, iphones can reverse
geocode too. so can macs, windows and even linux systems. just about
anything with an internet connection can do it. amazing, but true.

It might also explain why the
data doesn't travel with the image.

the data, which is just the gps coordinates, absolutely travels with
the image.

the reverse geocoding is *separate*, done *using* the data in the image.

It would be just like
Google to cross-connect those services but make them
only work as long as one is not straying from the Googleville
asylum.

except that's not what's happening.

anyone can reverse geocode, using any of a number of map sources,
including apple maps, bing maps, open street maps and others.

apparently the only limits are in *your* asylum. do you at least get
some visitors?

That's why I suggested there might be an app.

there are lots of apps that can reverse it, and what i said initially.

it's also not just photo apps. the weather app i use reverse geocodes
the current location.

it's just an api. give it gps coordinates and get back where it is.

If the
lookup has been done by the device then all that remains
is for an app to embed the data into the JPG image file
header.

the lookup is usually done on the fly because there are query limits,
so doing it for photos not viewed, perhaps ultimately deleted, is a
waste.

the info could be saved, but then that would change the modification
date of the file. if an app offers that option, it would need to be up
to the user to decide to modify the original file.