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  #31  
Old May 17th 17, 12:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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On 5/16/2017 2:45 PM, sid wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article ,
newshound wrote:


I think that there is a tool in W10 for calibrating the display by
eye... Anyways: If you are spending more than £500 on your camera AND
display then:

https://www.parkcameras.com/p/V15870...x-rite/colormu
nki-smile

Thanks for the suggestion, and the price doesn't seem unreasonable, but
I have been using cameras for long enough to know that most of the nice
"must have" gadgets won't actually make any real difference.


a properly calibrated display *does* make a difference. a very big
difference. in other words, such 'gadgets' are *well* worth the price.


Accurate monitor calibration is only really necessary for pro use where
colours have to match. For the general photographer as long as your pictures
look pretty much the same on a range of devices then you're pretty much good
to go. If you want to print easily to match what you see then creating a
profile for your paper and ink combination is the thing to do.


Yes, if all you do is show family and vacation images. If you want
others to appreciate your images, then calibration is a must. Otherwise
there will be color shifts, and the other viewers will not see your
images as you would like them to be seen.

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  #32  
Old May 17th 17, 12:46 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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On 5/16/2017 2:47 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , sid
wrote:

I think that there is a tool in W10 for calibrating the display by
eye... Anyways: If you are spending more than £500 on your camera AND
display then:

https://www.parkcameras.com/p/V15870...x-rite/colormu
nki-smile

Thanks for the suggestion, and the price doesn't seem unreasonable, but
I have been using cameras for long enough to know that most of the nice
"must have" gadgets won't actually make any real difference.

a properly calibrated display *does* make a difference. a very big
difference. in other words, such 'gadgets' are *well* worth the price.


Accurate monitor calibration is only really necessary for pro use where
colours have to match.


it's useful for everyone who is interested in quality work.

For the general photographer as long as your pictures
look pretty much the same on a range of devices then you're pretty much good
to go.


that would be luck. buy a lottery ticket.

If you want to print easily to match what you see then creating a
profile for your paper and ink combination is the thing to do.


which requires a calibrated display.

And the proper profile. If someone is happy with their non-calibrated
monitor, then I will not try to convince them. I am simply stating that
the tool is available. I have no dog if they decide not to use it.

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  #33  
Old May 17th 17, 12:47 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, and the price doesn't seem unreasonable, but
I have been using cameras for long enough to know that most of the nice
"must have" gadgets won't actually make any real difference.

a properly calibrated display *does* make a difference. a very big
difference. in other words, such 'gadgets' are *well* worth the price.


Accurate monitor calibration is only really necessary for pro use where
colours have to match. For the general photographer as long as your pictures
look pretty much the same on a range of devices then you're pretty much good
to go. If you want to print easily to match what you see then creating a
profile for your paper and ink combination is the thing to do.


Yes, if all you do is show family and vacation images.


and on the same display as the one used to adjust them.

If you want
others to appreciate your images, then calibration is a must. Otherwise
there will be color shifts, and the other viewers will not see your
images as you would like them to be seen.


yep.
  #34  
Old May 17th 17, 12:49 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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On 5/16/2017 4:04 PM, sid wrote:
android wrote:


a properly calibrated display *does* make a difference. a very big
difference. in other words, such 'gadgets' are *well* worth the price.

Accurate monitor calibration is only really necessary for pro use where
colours have to match. For the general photographer as long as your
pictures look pretty much the same on a range of devices then you're
pretty much good to go. If you want to print easily to match what you see
then creating a profile for your paper and ink combination is the thing
to do.


If you can't be bothered with color accuracy then you hardly need
resolution or high levels of optical definition. Crops from your
smartphone of any year, level or make will do.


what, like this

https://flic.kr/p/UBp65Z


Nice shot. but, the color does seem a bit flat, to me.

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  #35  
Old May 17th 17, 01:06 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/16/2017 7:28 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2017 17:22:49 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 5/16/2017 4:05 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:

I know someone who sells beads on the internet. She uses an X-Rite
color checker to make sure the color in the photo is the color of the
bead, but doesn't have a calibrated monitor. The print will be
accurate even if the monitor and print differ in look.

Since there are colors in the RGB spectrum that can't be reproduced in
CMYK and vice versa, there will always be differences between monitor
and print presentations of a photo.


Once I would have agreed with you,

You're not disagreeing with me... you're disagreeing with the elementary
physics of reflective vs. transmitted light frequencies. That will be a
hard one to win... ;-)

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  #36  
Old May 17th 17, 04:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Tue, 16 May 2017 19:39:23 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/16/2017 11:56 AM, nospam wrote:
In article ,
newshound wrote:


I think that there is a tool in W10 for calibrating the display by
eye... Anyways: If you are spending more than £500 on your camera AND
display then:

https://www.parkcameras.com/p/V15870...x-rite/colormu
nki-smile

Thanks for the suggestion, and the price doesn't seem unreasonable, but
I have been using cameras for long enough to know that most of the nice
"must have" gadgets won't actually make any real difference.


a properly calibrated display *does* make a difference. a very big
difference. in other words, such 'gadgets' are *well* worth the price.


Total and complete agreement.


I have umteen thousand dollars tied up in printer, ink and papers. I
have several umteen thousand dollars tied up in camera, lenses,
tripods and various associated bits and pieces. It would be foolish of
me to at the last minute skimp on a few hundred dollars for a screen
calibration device which help me better attain the ends to which I am
striving.
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Eric Stevens
  #37  
Old May 17th 17, 04:34 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, and the price doesn't seem unreasonable, but
I have been using cameras for long enough to know that most of the nice
"must have" gadgets won't actually make any real difference.

a properly calibrated display *does* make a difference. a very big
difference. in other words, such 'gadgets' are *well* worth the price.


Total and complete agreement.


I have umteen thousand dollars tied up in printer, ink and papers. I
have several umteen thousand dollars tied up in camera, lenses,
tripods and various associated bits and pieces. It would be foolish of
me to at the last minute skimp on a few hundred dollars for a screen
calibration device which help me better attain the ends to which I am
striving.


yep.
  #38  
Old May 17th 17, 08:28 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Eric Stevens wrote:

On Tue, 16 May 2017 22:30:38 +0100, sid wrote:

nospam wrote:

Once again I invite you to cast your critical eye over my work and
perhaps suggest which of the images you think would have been improved
with an accurately calibrated monitor. Or perhaps you'll be able to
easily see which have been processed on an uncalibrated monitor

https://www.flickr.com/photos/722928...h/34531133981/

without the original subject or what your goal is with the photos,
that's not possible and you know it.


That's exactly my point!


The important question is not whether or not the viewer likes the end
results but whether or not you are getting consistent results which
*you* like.


Consistent results are achieved by using the same equipment consistently,
calibrated or not.
Peer review will very quickly let you know if your doing something wrong.
If no one else is going to see your work, ahem nospam, then clearly it makes
even less difference.

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  #39  
Old May 17th 17, 08:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
sid[_2_]
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PeterN wrote:

On 5/16/2017 4:04 PM, sid wrote:
android wrote:


a properly calibrated display *does* make a difference. a very big
difference. in other words, such 'gadgets' are *well* worth the price.

Accurate monitor calibration is only really necessary for pro use where
colours have to match. For the general photographer as long as your
pictures look pretty much the same on a range of devices then you're
pretty much good to go. If you want to print easily to match what you
see then creating a profile for your paper and ink combination is the
thing to do.

If you can't be bothered with color accuracy then you hardly need
resolution or high levels of optical definition. Crops from your
smartphone of any year, level or make will do.


what, like this

https://flic.kr/p/UBp65Z


Nice shot. but, the color does seem a bit flat, to me.


Thanks, but perhaps you need to calibrate your monitor!

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sid
  #40  
Old May 17th 17, 08:53 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
sid[_2_]
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Davoud wrote:

sid:
what, like this

https://flic.kr/p/UBp65Z


Not entirely shabby. But would it kill you to give your photos
meaningful titles on Flickr? "IMG_2656--2017-05-14--13-32-39" is
unworthy of that photo. How about the popular name and maybe the
binomial of the animal? See a naming example at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/29351637460 and note the
binomial in the EOL format in tags. While I'm complaining, where's the
GPS data? Your referenced photo would be an excellent candidate for the
Encyclopedia of Life Flickr pool, but a photo of a wild animal without
a location is all but useless.


Thanks for the veiled compliment. To be honest I only really put the images
on flickr so they can be shared elsewhere easily. I've always been able to
remember where I was when I took a photo so GPS has never been a thing I've
felt the need for, even though it is built in to my current camera it stays
off to conserve battery life.
Anyway, is this more to your liking?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/722928.../in/datetaken/
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