20D: SO GOOD, IT'S CRIMINAL !

William Graham wrote:
"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
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Annika1980 wrote:
On Feb 27, 9:25 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

The 3000 people a month that are being killed in Iraq aren't our
fault....They are dying because of terrorists. Many of them are the
same religious fanatics who designed 9/11.

In actual fact, none of them are. The other fact is that 3000
people a month weren't being before we invaded. So their blood is
on Bush's hands.

So if you punch a guy in the face because he had it coming...and he
(or his thug buddies) "respond" by punching every man, woman and
child in the face, month after month...it's the same as YOU punching
all those men, women and children in the face?????

You can't really believe that.

Belief has nothing to do with it.

But I was responding to someone who believes it.

The Democrats will say it because
it makes Bush look bad. And, that's the name of the game....Bash
Bush. What they should be doing is bashing the guys who are going to
run on the republican ticket in 2008.....Bashing bush is now a waste
of time........

Not if they can equate Bush...with Republicans in general... They're going
for a continuation of what happened with that in 06. After all...what else
have they got to run on??

Economy? Strong, steady growth.
Inflation? Clearly in check according to latest indicators.
Un-employment levels? Historic lows.
Wages? Steady upward growth.
Home ownership? Record highs.
Stock Market? Momentary one-day blip, already rebounding (but lefties are
trying very hard to strike fear--what else can they do?).

Bottom line? Major indicators are VERY strongly positive.
Democrats are going to have to run a one-trick-pony candidacy.


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"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:
"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
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Annika1980 wrote:
On Feb 27, 9:25 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

The 3000 people a month that are being killed in Iraq aren't our
fault....They are dying because of terrorists. Many of them are the
same religious fanatics who designed 9/11.

In actual fact, none of them are. The other fact is that 3000
people a month weren't being before we invaded. So their blood is
on Bush's hands.

So if you punch a guy in the face because he had it coming...and he
(or his thug buddies) "respond" by punching every man, woman and
child in the face, month after month...it's the same as YOU punching
all those men, women and children in the face?????

You can't really believe that.

Belief has nothing to do with it.

But I was responding to someone who believes it.

The Democrats will say it because
it makes Bush look bad. And, that's the name of the game....Bash
Bush. What they should be doing is bashing the guys who are going to
run on the republican ticket in 2008.....Bashing bush is now a waste
of time........

Not if they can equate Bush...with Republicans in general... They're
going for a continuation of what happened with that in 06. After
all...what else have they got to run on??

Economy? Strong, steady growth.
Inflation? Clearly in check according to latest indicators.
Un-employment levels? Historic lows.
Wages? Steady upward growth.
Home ownership? Record highs.
Stock Market? Momentary one-day blip, already rebounding (but lefties are
trying very hard to strike fear--what else can they do?).

Bottom line? Major indicators are VERY strongly positive.
Democrats are going to have to run a one-trick-pony candidacy.

But, whoever it is will be an eloquent speaker, who always pronounces
"nuclear" correctly.....Doesn't that count for something?

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: Annika Hogan,
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: : "Annika1980" wrote in message
: : oups.com...
: : On Feb 28, 3:47 pm, "Annika_Hogan"
: : wrote:
: :
: : Widen your eyes William. The USA is not the home of the free. It's
: the
: : home
: : of mass murdering politicians able to destroy on a scale never
before
: : seen.
: : How on earth can any of you believe you can win a war against
people
: with
: : nothing left to lose?
: :
: : Yeah, so I guess we should just toss them the keys to the house and
: cars,
: : and go put our heads on the chopping block, so they won't have any
: trouble
: : qualifying for their 72 virgins......Well, I am still sitting here in
my
: : basement cleaning my guns....Sorry if I'm so antagonistic........
: :
: ----------
: But William, that flies in the face of all your constitution stands for.
: Ask yourself this: Why are the Iranians attacking the US?
: Ask then: What did the US do to provoke such a thing?
:
: The answers are pretty basic. "LIVE AND LET LIVE".
: I've read all the arguments about Saddam killing the Kurds but at the
same
: time, let's not forget the American MN companies who set up their
: factories
: in developing nations to circumvent environmental laws in the USA.
:
: It goes horribly wrong when DuPont poison thousands of natives in an
: "accident" that simply wouldn't be allowed to happen in the US. This is
: justified in your mind by saying it was the native's fault. If you lot
: just
: kept to yourselves and let other do the same, you'd pay a heap less
taxes
: and have a better lifestyle too.
:
: William, You ought to come sailing with me sometime and I'll take you to
: places where the natives wouldn't know what a gun was yet they are the
: happiest people in the world. You might temper your violent attitude
with
: some humility.
:
: As long as they don't come to the US and hijack several airplanes and use
: them to kill 3000 innocent people, I would love to meet them......And, I
: doubt seriously if they are teaching their children in school that the
only
: thing that is important in life is to kill infidels in order to get into
: heaven........
:
You think they have any schools left?

On Feb 28, 9:16 pm, "ANNIKA1980.com"
wrote:
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Annika Hogan,

http://www.annika1980.com"William Graham" wrote in message

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:: "Annika1980" wrote in message

roups.com...
: On Feb 28, 3:47 pm, "Annika_Hogan" : wrote:

:
: Widen your eyes William. The USA is not the home of the free. It's the
: home
: of mass murdering politicians able to destroy on a scale never before
: seen.
: How on earth can any of you believe you can win a war against people
with
: nothing left to lose?
:
: Yeah, so I guess we should just toss them the keys to the house and cars,
: and go put our heads on the chopping block, so they won't have any trouble
: qualifying for their 72 virgins......Well, I am still sitting here in my
: basement cleaning my guns....Sorry if I'm so antagonistic........
:
----------
But William, that flies in the face of all your constitution stands for.
Ask yourself this: Why are the Iranians attacking the US?
Ask then: What did the US do to provoke such a thing?

The answers are pretty basic. "LIVE AND LET LIVE".
I've read all the arguments about Saddam killing the Kurds but at the same
time, let's not forget the American MN companies who set up their factories
in developing nations to circumvent environmental laws in the USA.

It goes horribly wrong when DuPont poison thousands of natives in an
"accident" that simply wouldn't be allowed to happen in the US. This is
justified in your mind by saying it was the native's fault. If you lot just
kept to yourselves and let other do the same, you'd pay a heap less taxes
and have a better lifestyle too.

William, You ought to come sailing with me sometime and I'll take you to
places where the natives wouldn't know what a gun was yet they are the
happiest people in the world. You might temper your violent attitude with
some humility.

http://www.annika1980.com
World class images to learn from.

Douglas, why are you posting under Bret's user name? Trying to start
up a war again? I was beginning to believe you were a gentleman when
you made an agreement with Bret to cease fire. But you reneged on
your agreement.
Helen

("The Making of the Atomic Bomb" ISBN 0-684-81378-5, paperback version)


Thanks alot Ken, I'll pick this one up.

"Ken Nadvornick" wrote in message
news:4KmFh.6576$Rf7.4280@trnddc02...
"Joseph Kewfi" wrote:

I'm interested but I don't see you offering sources ?

All,

I rarely allow myself to become part of these types of discussions in a
photographic newsgroup (or at least what little is left of this one these
days), but I must confess to being astounded at the lack of knowledge
regarding the history behind the creation of the first atomic bomb.
Rather
than engage in point-by-point refutation of so many misstatements by so
many
here, I would instead highly recommend the following read:

http://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-...84813785/sr=1-
1/qid=1172695546/ref=sr_1_1/103-4082240-2163804?ie=UTF8&s=books

("The Making of the Atomic Bomb" ISBN 0-684-81378-5, paperback version)

The author, Richard Rhodes, won a Pulitzer Prize for this work, and the
book
itself won both the National Book Award and the National Book Critics
Circle
Award. It is - by any stretch of imagination - hideously well researched
and documented and is considered by many (most?) to be the seminal work on
this subject. Indeed, the citation and bibliography sections run to 70+
pages by themselves.

According to Amazon's database, this work cites no less than 106 other
works
and is cited by 222 later works. And for those who need to be told in
advance that a book is worth reading, it is rated by Amazon as a five-star
read. Only a small handful of the 141 current reviews rate it lower than
that.

If any here truly wish to come to an informed opinion regarding the
history
of this event and the profound discoveries which led up to it, this is the
place to start.

Ken



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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:13:36 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

Well, in this case, Saddam Hussein killed approximately twice that many per
month over the 30 years that he ran Iraq...


According to whose figures?

Presumably the same Iraqi informant who told the US that Iraq had the
weapons of mass destruction that have never been, and never will be
found, because they didn't exist!

It's also strange how, even after almost four years, only a very small
number of Saddam-era mass graves have been found, and the numbers of
bodies are just a tiny fraction of those alleged to have been killed.

I am no fan of Saddam. He was certainly a brutal ruler. But he held
Iraq together in conditions of greater stability than Iraq had ever
experienced before, and certainly since.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:23:29 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. 2 million people in 30 years comes to
very nearly 3000 people per month.


It comes to 5555 people per month.

But 2 million people? There is no evidence available to support any
such claim.

There is, however, independent evidence that suggests the US/UK
sanctions, blockade and bombing of Iraq between 1991 and 2003 killed
1.2 million people, the majority of whom were children.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:30:59 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

Saddam Hussein was directly responsible. He only developed enough of
their oil to feed his own harems and palaces, and Swiss bank accounts. He
could have cared less how his people managed to stay alive. President George
Bush was responsible for getting rid of this maniac. - I seem to be the only
one who knows this, or who gives a damn about it.


We all know about the fact that, in getting rid of Saddam, Bush made a
bad situation in Iraq many times worse. And you are the person here
who seems not to give a damn about *that*.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:07:42 -0700, Greg Campbell
wrote:

If you are serious about learning something, about the Bomb project, try
the library. They are almost certain to have a copy of:
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-...e=UTF8&s=books

(isbn 0684813785)

A fantastic effort, and surely one of the best history books ever written.


And it is one of the most incredible stories ever told with, among
other things, a brand new manufacturing plant which was so colossal
that nothing remotely as big has ever been built, before or since.

On Mar 1, 10:38 am, Tony Polson wrote:
Well, in this case, Saddam Hussein killed approximately twice that many per
month over the 30 years that he ran Iraq...

According to whose figures?

Oh boy, here we go again.
Those are numbers that Bill came up with ("pulled out of his butt")
from his own study. William claims that the population numbers of
Iraq decreased during Saddam's reign, so therefore Saddam must've
killed them all. Forget the Iran/Iraq war ... all those mass graves
must've been dug by Saddam himself.