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On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:59:08 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2016-06-24 12:52, Savageduck wrote:

Oh well, good luck. At least there is a two year window to reach a
workable extraction plan.


I suspect that within the year there will be second sober thought
compromise talks welcomed by most on both sides.

Indeed, Merkel has made an elite meeting invite (only EU's Tusk, the
Italian PM and the French Prez) for Monday ahead of the EU "summit"
(Tuesday) to discuss Brexit. I suspect "compromise" might be discussed
as well before quietly bandying it about on Tues.

.... and 'compromise' is what Britain really wanted all along but the
EU beauracracy would not give it to them. The thought of Britain being
followed by two or three others may be enough to change Brussels' mind
(and let's hope the new one is an improvement on the old).
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens:
... and 'compromise' is what Britain really wanted all along but the
EU beauracracy would not give it to them. The thought of Britain being
followed by two or three others may be enough to change Brussels' mind
(and let's hope the new one is an improvement on the old).

Be that as it may, it has aught to do with Britain. They didn't vote
for compromise, they voted to get out and out they will be. So any
future compromises and improvements will not benefit England, though
the Scottish Republic and the Ulster whatever-it-turns-out-to-be will
be members of the E.U. One of our concerns is that each time Europe
becomes divided and the nations turn inward someone starts a war. A big
war.

Also irksome to Americans who are awake: though some Europeans deny it,
the prosperous, highly developed, democratic Western Europe of the 21st
century was largely financed and urged forward politically by the U.S.
taxpayer, who also provided the necessary security under which Europe
prospered.

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On 6/24/2016 9:43 PM, Davoud wrote:
Eric Stevens:
... and 'compromise' is what Britain really wanted all along but the
EU beauracracy would not give it to them. The thought of Britain being
followed by two or three others may be enough to change Brussels' mind
(and let's hope the new one is an improvement on the old).

Be that as it may, it has aught to do with Britain. They didn't vote
for compromise, they voted to get out and out they will be. So any
future compromises and improvements will not benefit England, though
the Scottish Republic and the Ulster whatever-it-turns-out-to-be will
be members of the E.U. One of our concerns is that each time Europe
becomes divided and the nations turn inward someone starts a war. A big
war.

Also irksome to Americans who are awake: though some Europeans deny it,
the prosperous, highly developed, democratic Western Europe of the 21st
century was largely financed and urged forward politically by the U.S.
taxpayer, who also provided the necessary security under which Europe
prospered.

That has irked me for at least four decades, and it is not pleasant
staying awake for that long. Too many other irksome things on late-night
TV. ;-)

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Best regards,

Neil

On 2016-06-24 19:07, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:59:08 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2016-06-24 12:52, Savageduck wrote:

Oh well, good luck. At least there is a two year window to reach a
workable extraction plan.


I suspect that within the year there will be second sober thought
compromise talks welcomed by most on both sides.

Indeed, Merkel has made an elite meeting invite (only EU's Tusk, the
Italian PM and the French Prez) for Monday ahead of the EU "summit"
(Tuesday) to discuss Brexit. I suspect "compromise" might be discussed
as well before quietly bandying it about on Tues.

... and 'compromise' is what Britain really wanted all along but the
EU beauracracy would not give it to them. The thought of Britain being
followed by two or three others may be enough to change Brussels' mind
(and let's hope the new one is an improvement on the old).

.... in turn having some countries vying for a punishing, swift exit for
Britain pour encourager les autres to stay in.


--
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
-Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

On 2016-06-24 21:43, Davoud wrote:
Eric Stevens:

Also irksome to Americans who are awake: though some Europeans deny it,
the prosperous, highly developed, democratic Western Europe of the 21st
century was largely financed and urged forward politically by the U.S.
taxpayer, who also provided the necessary security under which Europe
prospered.

Exaggerated a bit. The Marshal Plan was certainly great seed capital
that in turn unlocked massive wealth in place to be spent (confidence).

In any case the cheapest defense against the Soviets that the US could
ever devise or purchase.

--
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
-Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

Davoud:
Also irksome to Americans who are awake: though some Europeans deny it,
the prosperous, highly developed, democratic Western Europe of the 21st
century was largely financed and urged forward politically by the U.S.
taxpayer, who also provided the necessary security under which Europe
prospered.

Alan Browne:
Exaggerated a bit. The Marshal Plan was certainly great seed capital
that in turn unlocked massive wealth in place to be spent (confidence).

Understated, if anything. Overt and covert financial and political
assistance did not end with the Marshall Plan.

In any case the cheapest defense against the Soviets that the US could
ever devise or purchase.

Cheapest, maybe, but by no means cheap in absolute dollar terms!

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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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Alan Browne:
... in turn having some countries vying for a punishing, swift exit for
Britain pour encourager les autres to stay in.

"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly..." ‹Macbeth, Act I, Scene 7, directly from an
Englishman's pen.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On 2016-06-25 13:57, Davoud wrote:
Davoud:
Also irksome to Americans who are awake: though some Europeans deny it,
the prosperous, highly developed, democratic Western Europe of the 21st
century was largely financed and urged forward politically by the U.S.
taxpayer, who also provided the necessary security under which Europe
prospered.

Alan Browne:
Exaggerated a bit. The Marshal Plan was certainly great seed capital
that in turn unlocked massive wealth in place to be spent (confidence).

Understated, if anything. Overt and covert financial and political
assistance did not end with the Marshall Plan.

No, but that was the key thing. Succeeding investments made returns for
all involved and also released cash that was not of US origin.

(The fact that the US government has always been a spendthrift in other
areas is beside the point).


In any case the cheapest defense against the Soviets that the US could
ever devise or purchase.

Cheapest, maybe, but by no means cheap in absolute dollar terms!





--
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
-Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

On 2016-06-25 13:59, Davoud wrote:
Alan Browne:
... in turn having some countries vying for a punishing, swift exit for
Britain pour encourager les autres to stay in.

Merkel has now called for fair dealing - vice her FM.


"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly..." ‹Macbeth, Act I, Scene 7, directly from an
Englishman's pen.

The Brits are now having sober second thoughts per various reports -
Cameron is in no rush to get going and call article 50.


--
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
-Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

Alan Browne:
The Brits are now having sober second thoughts per various reports -
Cameron is in no rush to get going and call article 50.

Putting "Brits" and "sober" in the same sentence causes me to suffer a
bout of cognitive dissonance in the same way that rhythmically flashing
lights can trigger seizures in some people.

In any case, it's a bit late for them to sober up now. As you pointed
out, the EU wants Britain out ASAP. If I were in the EU's position I
would feel the same way; you want out, so go, and don't let the door
hit you in the ass.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm