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Imitating classic BW photos
I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles Sheller's and
Edward Weston's work with industrial sites - Armco and Ford. I am working in 35mm format. Anyone have suggestions for paper and developer? |
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Peregrine Rigging wrote:
I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles Sheller's and Edward Weston's work with industrial sites - Armco and Ford. I am working in 35mm format. Anyone have suggestions for paper and developer? I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler? In any case, Edward Weston printed on Platinum paper until one of his sons showed him some prints on silver-gelatin paper (Azo?), and he switched to that. I would not say the s.g. prints are especially warm. Many of E.W.'s prints look brownish and disagreeable to me in terms of print color, though those were probably the platinum ones, but it may be that the prints I have seen are not that good (though they should be: most of the ones I have seen were at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC). I have an E.W. print of a Juniper tree, printed by his son Cole, that is very nice, but it looks as though it was probably printed on something like Oriental Seagull or possibly Ilford Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 05:50:01 up 5 days, 19:16, 3 users, load average: 4.35, 4.22, 4.08 |
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"Jean-David Beyer" wrote in message news:1Ao0g.13159$b06.9057@trnddc08... Peregrine Rigging wrote: I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles Sheller's and Edward Weston's work with industrial sites - Armco and Ford. I am working in 35mm format. Anyone have suggestions for paper and developer? I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler? In any case, Edward Weston printed on Platinum paper until one of his sons showed him some prints on silver-gelatin paper (Azo?), and he switched to that. I would not say the s.g. prints are especially warm. Many of E.W.'s prints look brownish and disagreeable to me in terms of print color, though those were probably the platinum ones, but it may be that the prints I have seen are not that good (though they should be: most of the ones I have seen were at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC). I have an E.W. print of a Juniper tree, printed by his son Cole, that is very nice, but it looks as though it was probably printed on something like Oriental Seagull or possibly Ilford Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 05:50:01 up 5 days, 19:16, 3 users, load average: 4.35, 4.22, 4.08 Almost all of the Weston prints I've seen (and that's a lot) are on neutral or cold paper. He printed on many kinds of paper encluding enlarging paper. some of his old prints look brown because they were not fixed completely and have sulfided over the years. His Platinium prints also vary in tone. Years ago there were many warm tone papers, they were popular for portrait work. There are still some warm tone papers but they probably don't look exactly like the old ones. Developer makes a difference in the image color. Perhaps the best way to get a brownish tone is to tone the print in Kodak Brown Toner. KBT works well for partial toning because it does not split tone. This also results in good image protection from partial toning. While the instructions are to use it a 100F, it can be used at lower temperatures with consequent longer tonint time. This can be an advantage if one wants only a slight color shift. To stop the toning from continuing in the wash bath the print should be treated in a bath of 10% Sodium Sulfite or in stock strength Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent, for a short time before washing. This will also eliminate any possible staining. Developers also affect the color the image turns when toning. There is on rule for this, one must experiment. In general, lower activity developers or the addition of Potassium bromide to any developer, tends to shift the image color toward yellow. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:59:25 GMT, Jean-David Beyer
wrote: I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler? In any case, Edward Weston printed on Platinum paper until one of his sons showed him some prints on silver-gelatin paper (Azo?), and he switched to that. I would not say the s.g. prints are especially warm. Many of E.W.'s prints look brownish and disagreeable to me in terms of print color, though those were probably the platinum ones, but it may be that the prints I have seen are not that good (though they should be: most of the ones I have seen were at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC). I have an E.W. print of a Juniper tree, printed by his son Cole, that is very nice, but it looks as though it was probably printed on something like Oriental Seagull or possibly Ilford Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself. Were there any really warm toned Amidol developers used around EW's time ? == John S. Douglas Photographer & Webmaster www.legacy-photo,com www.xs750.net |
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John wrote: On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:59:25 GMT, Jean-David Beyer wrote: I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler? In any case, Edward Weston printed on Platinum paper until one of his sons showed him some prints on silver-gelatin paper (Azo?), and he switched to that. I would not say the s.g. prints are especially warm. Many of E.W.'s prints look brownish and disagreeable to me in terms of print color, though those were probably the platinum ones, but it may be that the prints I have seen are not that good (though they should be: most of the ones I have seen were at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC). I have an E.W. print of a Juniper tree, printed by his son Cole, that is very nice, but it looks as though it was probably printed on something like Oriental Seagull or possibly Ilford Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself. Were there any really warm toned Amidol developers used around EW's time ? Weston Amidol is *very* cold tone -- even colder than Formulary Amidol, which I used as a standard developer for a few months. If there is a warm-tone developer using Amidol as the main developing agent I've never heard of it. -- Thor Lancelot Simon "We cannot usually in social life pursue a single value or a single moral aim, untroubled by the need to compromise with others." - H.L.A. Hart |
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Yes, I meant Sheeler. On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:59:25 GMT, Jean-David Beyer wrote: Peregrine Rigging wrote: I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles Sheller's and Edward Weston's work with industrial sites - Armco and Ford. I am working in 35mm format. Anyone have suggestions for paper and developer? I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler? In any case, Edward Weston printed on Platinum paper until one of his sons showed him some prints on silver-gelatin paper (Azo?), and he switched to that. I would not say the s.g. prints are especially warm. Many of E.W.'s prints look brownish and disagreeable to me in terms of print color, though those were probably the platinum ones, but it may be that the prints I have seen are not that good (though they should be: most of the ones I have seen were at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC). I have an E.W. print of a Juniper tree, printed by his son Cole, that is very nice, but it looks as though it was probably printed on something like Oriental Seagull or possibly Ilford Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself. |
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