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Old April 28th 18, 04:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to work withseveral external USB sticks

I'm trying to understand LR Classic and/or CC's concept of storage.


I have a MacBook - it has 512GB internal SSD which will be shared with
several users (family).

So I cannot have my entire photo collection on there (in terms of the
originals).


Can LR manage working with photos stored in sets on a number of USB Sticks?

I would tend to load up a stick with 1-2 year's worth of originals, so I
would have sticks labelled:

2013-15
2015-17

etc depending on how many photos fit.


Or do I need to put them on a single external device that's always there
when I use LR?


Starting from the ground up here, so trying to decide how to manage
storage of the original photo files. At the moment they are on a big
slow NAS. For LR work, I need them portable as I'll be working on the
train and away from home.

Cheers,

Tim
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Old April 28th 18, 06:47 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to work with several external USB sticks

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:

Starting from the ground up here, so trying to decide how to manage
storage of the original photo files. At the moment they are on a big
slow NAS. For LR work, I need them portable as I'll be working on the
train and away from home.


smart previews is what you want, plus you should get a big fast nas to
replace your slow nas.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/lightroom-smart-previews.html
Smart Previews are much smaller than the original photos. You can
free up disk space on devices with smaller storage capacities (for
example, SSD drives) by choosing to keep original files on a
high-capacity external device (for example, NAS devices or external
discs). For example, 500 raw images from a high-end DSLR camera may
occupy 14 GB of disk space. The Smart Preview files for the same
images amounted to 400 MB of disk space.
Continue to work with your Smart Preview files even when the device
containing your original photographs is disconnected. You can perform
all edits that you would perform on the original file.
Automatically sync any edits made on Smart Preview files with your
original files, as soon as the device is reconnected to your computer.
Once created, your Smart Preview files are always up to date. When
your storage device is connected, any edits you make to the original
file are applied*instantly to the Smart Previews as well.
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Old April 28th 18, 07:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to work with several external USB sticks

On Apr 28, 2018, Tim Watts wrote
(in ):

I'm trying to understand LR Classic and/or CC's concept of storage.


To start with LR CCC will store locally on local HDD/SSD along with a good
backup plan, while LR CC is intended to store using Adobe’s Cloud service
so that files will be available to mobile devices.

I have a MacBook - it has 512GB internal SSD which will be shared with
several users (family).


Start by being selfish and don’t share the MacBook with the family. Get the
family their own MacBook.

So I cannot have my entire photo collection on there (in terms of the
originals).


That is what external storage with portable HDD, SSD, or NAS is for. The
likelihood of needing your entire collection of photo file while on the road
is slim to none. Personally I have little reason to have RAW files from 2004
on a prortable device when I am on the road. Achive your old stuff on a
portable drive, and don’t forget to back up to a second drive.

Can LR manage working with photos stored in sets on a number of USB Sticks?


That is a terrible idea. You would be better off buying a portable 1 or 2 TB
SSD, or HDD to use when running LR CCC. There are several portable SSD
systems intended for just that.

https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-portable-ssd

https://www.hypershop.com/collection...ve-colorspace-
udma3

I would tend to load up a stick with 1-2 year's worth of originals, so I
would have sticks labelled:

2013-15
2015-17

etc depending on how many photos fit.


Not a good idea.

Or do I need to put them on a single external device that's always there
when I use LR?


Yes.

Starting from the ground up here, so trying to decide how to manage
storage of the original photo files. At the moment they are on a big
slow NAS. For LR work, I need them portable as I'll be working on the
train and away from home.


Lightweight portable drives are reasonably inexpensive today for work on the
road, and you have access to the LR CC Cloud storage. Also for work at home
the time has come to improve your NAS.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

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Old April 28th 18, 09:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to workwith several external USB sticks

On 28/04/18 19:45, Savageduck wrote:
On Apr 28, 2018, Tim Watts wrote
(in ):

I'm trying to understand LR Classic and/or CC's concept of storage.


To start with LR CCC will store locally on local HDD/SSD along with a good
backup plan, while LR CC is intended to store using Adobe’s Cloud service
so that files will be available to mobile devices.

I have a MacBook - it has 512GB internal SSD which will be shared with
several users (family).


Start by being selfish and don’t share the MacBook with the family. Get the
family their own MacBook.


Lob us a couple of grand and you're on mate!

Seriously, not that rich...


So I cannot have my entire photo collection on there (in terms of the
originals).


That is what external storage with portable HDD, SSD, or NAS is for. The
likelihood of needing your entire collection of photo file while on the road
is slim to none. Personally I have little reason to have RAW files from 2004
on a prortable device when I am on the road. Achive your old stuff on a
portable drive, and don’t forget to back up to a second drive.


Thank you.


Can LR manage working with photos stored in sets on a number of USB Sticks?


That is a terrible idea.




You would be better off buying a portable 1 or 2 TB
SSD, or HDD to use when running LR CCC. There are several portable SSD
systems intended for just that.

https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-portable-ssd


That is a very nice looking device...

500/550 Write/Read MB/s
8000/16000 R/W IOPS @4k block

http://www.thessdreview.com/hardware...-review-1tb/3/

That's one damn fast drive for a single device...

Cheers for the link...


https://www.hypershop.com/collection...ve-colorspace-
udma3

I would tend to load up a stick with 1-2 year's worth of originals, so I
would have sticks labelled:

2013-15
2015-17

etc depending on how many photos fit.


Not a good idea.


Is there any reasoning to that? Not being funny (or ungrateful to free
advice) - I just like to understand the "why"



Or do I need to put them on a single external device that's always there
when I use LR?


Yes.

Starting from the ground up here, so trying to decide how to manage
storage of the original photo files. At the moment they are on a big
slow NAS. For LR work, I need them portable as I'll be working on the
train and away from home.


Lightweight portable drives are reasonably inexpensive today for work on the
road, and you have access to the LR CC Cloud storage. Also for work at home
the time has come to improve your NAS.


Maybe - but that's another project (I've just redone my home network and
Wifi and security - one project at a time
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Old April 28th 18, 09:40 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to work with several external USB sticks

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


I have a MacBook - it has 512GB internal SSD which will be shared with
several users (family).


Start by being selfish and dont share the MacBook with the family. Get the
family their own MacBook.


Lob us a couple of grand and you're on mate!


macbooks start at *under* $1000.



I would tend to load up a stick with 1-2 year's worth of originals, so I
would have sticks labelled:

2013-15
2015-17

etc depending on how many photos fit.


Not a good idea.


Is there any reasoning to that? Not being funny (or ungrateful to free
advice) - I just like to understand the "why"


it's a ****load of effort that is not only not needed, but begging to
cause all sorts of problems.

the best solution is smart previews, keeping a small proxy copy on the
macbook and the full resolution copy on a nas.

Lightweight portable drives are reasonably inexpensive today for work on the
road, and you have access to the LR CC Cloud storage. Also for work at home
the time has come to improve your NAS.


Maybe - but that's another project (I've just redone my home network and
Wifi and security - one project at a time


what project? buy a nas, add some drives, done. configuration takes a
few minutes and they can saturate a single gigabit link (some have
multiple gigabit ports which can be aggregated).

https://www.synology.com/
https://www.qnap.com/
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Old April 28th 18, 09:47 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to work with several external USB sticks

On Apr 28, 2018, Tim Watts wrote
(in ):

On 28/04/18 19:45, Savageduck wrote:
On Apr 28, 2018, Tim Watts wrote
(in ):

I'm trying to understand LR Classic and/or CC's concept of storage.


To start with LR CCC will store locally on local HDD/SSD along with a good
backup plan, while LR CC is intended to store using Adobe’s Cloud service
so that files will be available to mobile devices.

I have a MacBook - it has 512GB internal SSD which will be shared with
several users (family).


Start by being selfish and don’t share the MacBook with the family. Get
the family their own MacBook.


Lob us a couple of grand and you're on mate!

Seriously, not that rich...


Who is? That response of mine was, shall we say, a tad facetious. ;-)


So I cannot have my entire photo collection on there (in terms of the
originals).


That is what external storage with portable HDD, SSD, or NAS is for. The
likelihood of needing your entire collection of photo file while on the road
is slim to none. Personally I have little reason to have RAW files from 2004
on a prortable device when I am on the road. Achive your old stuff on a
portable drive, and don’t forget to back up to a second drive.


Thank you.


Can LR manage working with photos stored in sets on a number of USB Sticks?


That is a terrible idea.


You would be better off buying a portable 1 or 2 TB
SSD, or HDD to use when running LR CCC. There are several portable SSD
systems intended for just that.

https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-portable-ssd


That is a very nice looking device...

500/550 Write/Read MB/s
8000/16000 R/W IOPS @4k block

http://www.thessdreview.com/hardware...-review-1tb/3/

That's one damn fast drive for a single device...

Cheers for the link...


I believe that is probably your best option.


https://www.hypershop.com/collections/storage/products/hyperdrive-colorspace-udma3

I would tend to load up a stick with 1-2 year's worth of originals, so I
would have sticks labelled:

2013-15
2015-17

etc depending on how many photos fit.


Not a good idea.


Is there any reasoning to that? Not being funny (or ungrateful to free
advice) - I just like to understand the "why"


The cheapest solution is hardly ever the best. They are not the most secure,
or safest storage device. Convenient for temporary storage, but not a good
long term storage option.


Or do I need to put them on a single external device that's always there
when I use LR?


Yes.

Starting from the ground up here, so trying to decide how to manage
storage of the original photo files. At the moment they are on a big
slow NAS. For LR work, I need them portable as I'll be working on the
train and away from home.


Lightweight portable drives are reasonably inexpensive today for work on the
road, and you have access to the LR CC Cloud storage. Also for work at home
the time has come to improve your NAS.


Maybe - but that's another project (I've just redone my home network and
Wifi and security - one project at a time


So you have some budget planning ahead of you.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

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Old April 28th 18, 10:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to workwith several external USB sticks

On 28/04/18 21:40, nospam wrote:
In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


I have a MacBook - it has 512GB internal SSD which will be shared with
several users (family).

Start by being selfish and don¹t share the MacBook with the family. Get the
family their own MacBook.


Lob us a couple of grand and you're on mate!


macbooks start at *under* $1000.


Not Pros with decent GPUs


Is there any reasoning to that? Not being funny (or ungrateful to free
advice) - I just like to understand the "why"


it's a ****load of effort that is not only not needed, but begging to
cause all sorts of problems.


So mostly down to the number of devices then?


the best solution is smart previews, keeping a small proxy copy on the
macbook and the full resolution copy on a nas.



Lightweight portable drives are reasonably inexpensive today for work on the
road, and you have access to the LR CC Cloud storage. Also for work at home
the time has come to improve your NAS.


Maybe - but that's another project (I've just redone my home network and
Wifi and security - one project at a time


what project? buy a nas, add some drives, done. configuration takes a
few minutes and they can saturate a single gigabit link (some have
multiple gigabit ports which can be aggregated).


If it costs more than a hundred odd and/or becomes a central family
resource, it gets designed as a project and integrated with my core
network, not slapped in - that's how I roll

A NAS makes a good backup target, but I think this application, a
portable device is best for the main store - that Sandisk SSD will
outstrip all of my network for transfer speed by a large margin. Much of
this is governed by the fact it's only me working with photos.

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Old April 28th 18, 10:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to work with several external USB sticks

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:

I have a MacBook - it has 512GB internal SSD which will be shared with
several users (family).

Start by being selfish and don1t share the MacBook with the family. Get
the family their own MacBook.

Lob us a couple of grand and you're on mate!


macbooks start at *under* $1000.


Not Pros with decent GPUs


what exactly is your family doing that requires a decent gpu?

photoshop and lightroom, sure, but that's *your* macbook.
are *they* also doing photo editing?

Is there any reasoning to that? Not being funny (or ungrateful to free
advice) - I just like to understand the "why"


it's a ****load of effort that is not only not needed, but begging to
cause all sorts of problems.


So mostly down to the number of devices then?


it's down to manually doing work that a computer can do for you.
do you really want to keep track of which photo is on which drive??

and then there's the situation where you create collections that
include photos from multiple drives.

smart previews is designed for exactly the situation you describe, no
additional hardware needed and no additional work required to use it.
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Old April 28th 18, 10:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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Default Lightroom, MacBook with limited internal storage - how to workwith several external USB sticks

On 28/04/18 21:47, Savageduck wrote:
On Apr 28, 2018, Tim Watts wrote
(in ):


Lob us a couple of grand and you're on mate!

Seriously, not that rich...


Who is? That response of mine was, shall we say, a tad facetious. ;-)


Ah - got it!

"woosh to me"





https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-portable-ssd


That is a very nice looking device...

500/550 Write/Read MB/s
8000/16000 R/W IOPS @4k block

http://www.thessdreview.com/hardware...-review-1tb/3/

That's one damn fast drive for a single device...

Cheers for the link...


I believe that is probably your best option.


Yes - I am very much liking the look of that - and Sandisk has never let
me down yet.


Is there any reasoning to that? Not being funny (or ungrateful to free
advice) - I just like to understand the "why"


The cheapest solution is hardly ever the best. They are not the most secure,
or safest storage device. Convenient for temporary storage, but not a good
long term storage option.


Just wondered...



So you have some budget planning ahead of you.


A budget freeze more like

SWMBO has let me get away with a lot over the last 3 months, better not
over do it! But they like the fact Wifi now works well (thank you
Ubiquity) and gets 5GHz coverage round most of the house. So I have some
brownie points.
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Old April 28th 18, 10:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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On 28/04/18 16:34, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm trying to understand LR Classic and/or CC's concept of storage.



Thanks to all the comments here - I have a better understanding of
possibilities and limitations now.



 




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