HOYA SWALLOWS PENTAX !

In article .com,
sgtdisturbed wrote:

Ken Lucke wrote:
In article , acl
wrote:

jeremy wrote:
mechanical build quality had deteriorated noticably. Just like new
cars.
Better fuel economy and more amenities, at the expense of less sheet
metal
and smaller overall size.

So, basically, you prefer cars with lots of sheet metal and large size?


Damn straight _I_ do. Sheet metal, true internal structure (not just
some flimsy suppoorts for the outer skin), and large size. I'd take
high strength composite fiber/plastics (NOT fiberglass!) if they ever
start making cars with them (oops, sorry, that was an inadvertent cue
for RichA to enter the thread with his obsession), but until then, I
want METAL around me. The more the better.

Ever seen a serious wreck? Ever been in one?

From 1979 to 1996, I worked as a professional, full time paramedic (in
Portland, OR and other places), and the last 6 years was also a
firefighter. I've _seen_ (and sometimes had to scrape up) the
difference in outcomes.

Sorry, but to hell with fuel economy... with the millions of people on
the road in this country who merely know "how to operate a motor
vehicle" as opposed to actually knowing how to _drive_ their vehicles
(and there is a HUGE difference between those two skillsets), I want a
tank around me, if possible. Again, damn straight I prefer a vehicle
with some substance to it rather than today's tin cans that a wrinkle
in the sheet metal causes major loss of body integrity and strength
(literally).


Aren't the lighter bodies designed to use crumple zones to reduce the
forces of impact upon the passengers by
absorbing the impact as opposed to the driver feeling 100% of the
impact (which would result in a higher percentage of injury) while
using a firm, non-flexible body on their car? Newer cars seem to have
better crash test ratings than older, not-so flexible cars.


Ever had to extract a patient from one vs. the other? And then had to
treat said patient?

I thought not.

--
You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating
the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for
independence.
-- Charles A. Beard

Bill Funk wrote:

Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote:

Ken Lucke wrote:

Ever heard of the 4th amendment?

Not terribly useful today, is it. So shall we stop hiding behind that one?

If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote.

It's quite clear that Mr. Payne is something far superior to a US
citizen.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:18:55 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving
handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot
him? What on earth are you talking about?

yes, both have happened, and it is eXACTLY what was intended.

Recently?

On 7 Jan 2007 14:01:07 -0800, "
wrote:

If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote.

It's quite clear that Mr. Payne is something far superior to a US
citizen.

Thanks for the compliment! But judge me against your best, not
against some of the people we're meeting here.

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:18:55 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving
handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot
him? What on earth are you talking about?
yes, both have happened, and it is eXACTLY what was intended.

Recently?

In the past 50 years. yes.
Only the march on Washington was more waving tractors.
it worked.

Laurence Payne wrote:
On 7 Jan 2007 14:01:07 -0800, "
wrote:

If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote.

It's quite clear that Mr. Payne is something far superior to a US
citizen.

Thanks for the compliment!

Obviously you've never heard the phrase "damning with faint praise" or
you wouldn't be so easily pleased.

"Ron Hunter" wrote in message
...

LUDICROUS! One can STILL walk, ride a horse, ride a bicycle,
wheelchair, lawnmower, or crawl on his belly, to another state. None of
these will likely motivate a search.
Please cite a case where a DL was declared unconstitutional by a US court.

I can cite several of them, but should send them to you as a pdf file
attachment.......Is your email able to accept such things? - I will try, in
any case.....

"Ron Hunter" wrote in message
...
Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:25:13 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

In addition, the armed citizen still acts as the best limit to the abuse
of citizens by the government.

Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving
handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot
him? What on earth are you talking about?

yes, both have happened, and it is eXACTLY what was intended.

Yes....When the feds show up to confiscate your house, you blow several of
them away first.....It might not help you any, but the next guy gets a big
day in court first.......

"Bill Funk" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:05:32 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

searched.....Do the airlines have the right to force their customers to
give
up their 4th amendment rights? And, if not, then why not?


Forced? In what way. One can always just walk away from that search.

And many, by doing so, would also be walking away from a job.

Blanket searches are done all the time; stationary traffic radar
searches each vehicle to see if the driver is speeding. DUI
checkpoints search each vehicle for drivers driving impaired. Just two
examples that have been upheld by courts.

Radar doesn't "search" the vehicle.....Measuring its speed externally is a
different thing. And checkpoints where all the drivers are checked for
alcohol possession, or blood level are still frequently thrown out by the
courts.....Like most unconstitutional things, they do them anyway, and make
the injured party fight it to a high enough court before he wins....In the
meantime, he goes broke, so it usually isn't worth it, and that's how people
lose their constitutional rights.....Petty ass local municipal courts do
things like this all the time.......

"Alan Browne" wrote in message
...
William Graham wrote:


Makes a libertarian like me want to set up one of your stills and work it
24/7 even if I just flushed its output down the toilet.....(which I would
probably have to do, since I can't drink the stuff.....It interferes with
a couple of my diabetes medications.)

I believe I've sent you this link before Bill:
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/

The drawings and build instructions were about $30.

You will need and ATF licence but that doesn't cost much and in the US
they assume that if you get a licence for a stated purpose (fuel) that
that's what it's for. Here in Canada you are assumed to be evilly making
moonshine.

Cheers,
Alan

Thanks for the link.....I use ethanol to clean my trumpets with. (I can use
propanol, but the smell of it makes me sick) Down in California, I couldn't
buy ethanol in a drug store, so I bought some from a supplier in the bay
area....It was $40 a gallon, and 1/2 of that was the federal taxes......I
had to buy 4 gallons minimum, so I found 3 guys who wanted to go in with me,
and we each bought a gallon.....Of course, a gallon of ethanol is enough to
clean a trumpet for life, so I still have over 1/2 gallon left over, and
that was about 20 years ago. Now, I notice that I can buy a pint of 70%
ethanol from our local Rite Aid Drug store here in Salem, Oregon.......