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End of an Era
Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:34:50 -0800, "William Graham" wrote: I certainly don't mind modifying the Constitution....The method for doing this is outlined in the document itself....What I object to is redefining the English language in order to make the document mean something that its drafters never meant for it to mean, and thereby usurping the method outlined in the document for modification. Yeah. And it's only words, anyway. America isn't strong because of the Constitution. It's strong because of abundant resources. Cheap labour (often from people the Constitution didn't seem to apply to) helped too. Again, your eyes are closed. Check out countries like Brazil, or Mexico. Vast, untapped, resources, people willing to work, yet are then world leaders? |
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Pentax not viable??
jeremy wrote:
Photographers for whom their lenses are mission-critical are not known for embracing third party lenses. What do they know that amateurs don't? Well considering how many people suffer sheeple mentality, I'd say they care more for the 5 letters emblazoned on the front cap than the glass quality. I know people who would buy anything with C A N O N on it, even if it just came out of a dog's butt. But I also know several working professionals who happily use 3rd party lenses. I know several who use Tamron 90mm macros and swear by them. One who does a lot of wildlife work uses the Tamron 200-500, because the overall combination of size, weight, zoom range and optic quality is better than anything with the C word on it. Many 3rd party lenses are just as good or better than the oem lenses. Even in the budget category, the Sigma budget offerings that get used as Pentax kit lenses here in Australia, blow the pants off the Canon, Sony & Nikon equivalents. Move up the scale a bit to the mid end, and once again the Sigma, Tamron and Tokina offerings hold their own against many name-brand lenses that are much more expensive. Tokina's ATX-PRO series lenses are excellent. Sigma's red-ring series and most Tamron lenses are likewise of excellent quality. Perhaps as an exercise you should check the specs of some oem-branded and 3rd party lenses - for example the sony 18-200 and sigma 18-200 come out as being practically identical except for the finish and price tag - right down to the weight in grams. Coincidence? maybe. More likely though that they are identical designs, and possibly even made in the same factory. Certainly after giving them a bit of a run (admittedly not a thorough test, but comparing shots taken one after the other of real world subjects), I couldn't tell any difference in optic quality at all. I would opt for an OEM's low-end line, or even OEM used equipment, before messing with third-party gear. Are you seriously saying you'd opt for Canon's kit 18-55 & 75-300 over a Tokina ATX-Pro? I do not see Tokina breaking any sales records. |
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End of an Era
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:25:13 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote: In addition, the armed citizen still acts as the best limit to the abuse of citizens by the government. Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot him? What on earth are you talking about? |
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End of an Era
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:30:17 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote: Yeah. And it's only words, anyway. America isn't strong because of the Constitution. It's strong because of abundant resources. Cheap labour (often from people the Constitution didn't seem to apply to) helped too. Again, your eyes are closed. Check out countries like Brazil, or Mexico. Vast, untapped, resources, people willing to work, yet are then world leaders? Too hot. The nearer to the equator, the less gets done. And no huge advantage of starting from scratch only a few hundred years ago with vigorous immigrant stock. Some of whom, remember, immediately formed communities dedicated to severely restricting everyone's individual freedoms on religious grounds. But not, I'm afraid, the lack of a Constitution. |
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:05:32 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote: searched.....Do the airlines have the right to force their customers to give up their 4th amendment rights? And, if not, then why not? Forced? In what way. One can always just walk away from that search. And many, by doing so, would also be walking away from a job. Blanket searches are done all the time; stationary traffic radar searches each vehicle to see if the driver is speeding. DUI checkpoints search each vehicle for drivers driving impaired. Just two examples that have been upheld by courts. -- The Coney Island Polar Bear Club hosted its annual New Year's Day swim in the frigid waters off New York City Monday. It wasn't completely successful. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears came out of the water just as drunk as when they went in. |
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End of an Era
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:39:54 +0000, Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote: On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:48:09 -0800, Ken Lucke wrote: Ever heard of the 4th amendment? "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Not terribly useful today, is it. So shall we stop hiding behind that one? If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote. -- The Coney Island Polar Bear Club hosted its annual New Year's Day swim in the frigid waters off New York City Monday. It wasn't completely successful. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears came out of the water just as drunk as when they went in. |
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:24 +0000, Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote: On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:55:59 -0700, Bill Funk wrote: The pressure differential at 30K feet would only be 8 psi at the most. A hole 50 square inches would be a total pressure of 400 pounds. Even that much pressure would force a body through a hole 7 inches square. And no hand-held firearm would punch a hole that size into an airliner cabin. I can't see any non-explosive method of doing that without drawing a lot of attention to the effort. You sure about that math? Or did you mean "wouldn't"? You're right, that should have been "wouldn't." I hate it whan that happens. -- The Coney Island Polar Bear Club hosted its annual New Year's Day swim in the frigid waters off New York City Monday. It wasn't completely successful. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears came out of the water just as drunk as when they went in. |
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:35:52 -0500, Pudentame
wrote: Who was the ejected pax? A child or full-size adult? Christ! Do some fu&%^ Google of your own! Gee, I'm sorry. You seemed to have some knowledge of the cited event. Obviously, I was wrong. -- The Coney Island Polar Bear Club hosted its annual New Year's Day swim in the frigid waters off New York City Monday. It wasn't completely successful. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears came out of the water just as drunk as when they went in. |
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End of an Era
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:12:18 -0800, Ken Lucke
wrote: More likely steel-jacketed, teflon coated, pierce anything cartridges.... Nope. First two clips (10mm, S&W 1076) are loaded with Silvertip Glasers (or equivalent) 3 up then 4 hydroshocks to follow. In-chamber round is always a Silvertip Glaser (or equivalent). Third & fourth clips are hydroshocks & fmj [respecitvely], just in case. I'm not interested in penetrating car doors, I'm interested in putting the bad guy down. Permanently. I'll take glasers or the equivalent any day for doing that at the close range I'm probably ever going to need them at. I've seen the difference in body damage one can make. Longer range, I'd have time to switch clips while ducking behind something. Are you planning on taking on the Triad all by yourself? -- The Coney Island Polar Bear Club hosted its annual New Year's Day swim in the frigid waters off New York City Monday. It wasn't completely successful. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears came out of the water just as drunk as when they went in. |
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