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  #31  
Old November 14th 07, 03:04 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,uk.rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.misc
franklin-d-worth
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:39:22 +0100, "Bill Again" wrote:


"franklin-d-worth" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:13:40 +0000, Chris Savage
wrote:

On 2007-11-13, Bill Again wrote:

You remind me with that comment of an article I read recently by Jane
Bown,
[...]

quote
I'm not very particular about equipment: I use Olympus OM1s and have
about a
dozen, all purchased second-hand more than 40 years ago, and while I
have
[...]
unquote


How reliable a source can we consider this to be? She was buying a
camera, second-hand, more than five years before anyone outside Olympus
ever
saw one.

Whatever. I don't understand the 'available light' dogma. I'm with Eugene
Smith on the matter.



Just as reliable as all the other propagandistic "advice" that dSLR
advocates
hand out. I was waiting to see if anyone would notice the blatant error of
their
"proof". :-) Couch-potato photographers always slip up in their facts when
all
they have for reference in life is what they read online, in lieu of any
real-life experience with anything related to the topic.


You are an ignorant and unmannered person. Blatant error of "their proof".
What arrogant nonsense. The quote was not proof of anything, it was a quote
from an article by Jane Bown. This photographer is now 82 years old and far
from being a "couch potato photographer" she has photographed more
personalities than you could shake a stick at. She doesn't need to prove
anything, certainly not to idiots like you.


I never alluded to, nor directly said that, Jane Brown was the couch-potato
photographer without any real-life experience. (Read what I said again.) Any
real photographer would have immediately noticed the error (or misquoting?) of
her statement and would have never used it as a reference for anything. My
comments refer to you and -hh alone. And rightly so, since neither of you
noticed it. :-)

Your over-reactive defensiveness speaks tomes about you. (i.e. Methinks thou
dost protest too much.)

*poof*, there just went any credibility of anything you or -hh have ever said
online

That was fun.
  #32  
Old November 14th 07, 04:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,uk.rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.misc
-hh
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Default Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras

Lame sockpuppet troll, currently under the guise of:

franklin-d-worth wrote:

I never alluded to, nor directly said that, Jane Brown was the couch-potato
photographer without any real-life experience.


Let's see:

"Couch-potato photographers always slip up in their facts when all
they have for reference in life is what they read online, in lieu of
any real-life experience with anything..."

Yes, it is obvious that the online couch potato with no life is the
individual who hasn't shared any of his own photos to substantiate his
life experiences - - is namely, our cowardly anonymous sockpuppet
troll.




-hh

  #33  
Old November 14th 07, 12:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,uk.rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.misc
Bill Again[_2_]
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"franklin-d-worth" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:39:22 +0100, "Bill Again" wrote:


"franklin-d-worth" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:13:40 +0000, Chris Savage
wrote:

On 2007-11-13, Bill Again wrote:

You remind me with that comment of an article I read recently by Jane
Bown,
[...]

quote
I'm not very particular about equipment: I use Olympus OM1s and have
about a
dozen, all purchased second-hand more than 40 years ago, and while I
have
[...]
unquote


How reliable a source can we consider this to be? She was buying a
camera, second-hand, more than five years before anyone outside Olympus
ever
saw one.

Whatever. I don't understand the 'available light' dogma. I'm with
Eugene
Smith on the matter.


Just as reliable as all the other propagandistic "advice" that dSLR
advocates
hand out. I was waiting to see if anyone would notice the blatant error
of
their
"proof". :-) Couch-potato photographers always slip up in their facts
when
all
they have for reference in life is what they read online, in lieu of any
real-life experience with anything related to the topic.


You are an ignorant and unmannered person. Blatant error of "their proof".
What arrogant nonsense. The quote was not proof of anything, it was a
quote
from an article by Jane Bown. This photographer is now 82 years old and
far
from being a "couch potato photographer" she has photographed more
personalities than you could shake a stick at. She doesn't need to prove
anything, certainly not to idiots like you.


I never alluded to, nor directly said that, Jane Brown was the
couch-potato
photographer without any real-life experience. (Read what I said again.)
Any
real photographer would have immediately noticed the error (or
misquoting?) of
her statement and would have never used it as a reference for anything. My
comments refer to you and -hh alone. And rightly so, since neither of you
noticed it. :-)

Your over-reactive defensiveness speaks tomes about you. (i.e. Methinks
thou
dost protest too much.)

*poof*, there just went any credibility of anything you or -hh have ever
said
online

That was fun.


Yawn.



  #34  
Old November 15th 07, 10:48 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,uk.rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.misc
Bill Again[_2_]
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"Marty Fremen" wrote in message
...
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wrote:

Hmm, the M-1, the precursor to the OM1, was introduced in 1972. So in
2012 the OM1 will have been 40 years old. Yet this alleged photographer
bought about 12 of them, second hand



Obviously she bought them second hand! She could hardly have bought them
new, could she?


Marty,

If you were 82, and had been working in photography for some 60 years and
someone asked you when you had bought a particular camera would you like to
be tied down to an exact date or stretch of years or would you quite likely
say something like, "Oh god, I bought those 40 years ago!"

I have had many cameras. I had, for instance, a third or fourth hand Rollei
in the 60's. I couldn't even guess at when I bought it. I cannot even
remember how much it cost.

I really believe that this obsession with dates and times and exactitude
does not fit with an artistic mind. The two are incompatible. Which is why
Bown can make confusing statements about exactly when she bought a camera,
for God's sake, but has a long and productive history of producing top
class, nay, world class, photography. Look at her photographs of Orson
Welles, Samuel Becket, Truman Capote, Evelyn Waugh, Margaret Thatcher or any
of the many others and then tell me you can criticise her for not
remembering when she bought a camera.

That's all

Bill



  #35  
Old November 16th 07, 02:56 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,uk.rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.misc
Chris Savage
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On 2007-11-15, Bill Again wrote:

[...] Look at her photographs of Orson
Welles, Samuel Becket, Truman Capote, Evelyn Waugh, Margaret Thatcher or any
of the many others and then tell me you can criticise her for not
remembering when she bought a camera.


Look at her photographs and tell me that she, as she disingenuously
claims, has no idea how to operate a camera or judge exposure. But she
wants us to believe that she is some natural artistic wonder who just
intuits these things. It smacks of desparation to me, putting up this
mythical barrier to entry of the profession by spreading this lie that
technique is neither learnable nor necessary.

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