Jerk "pro" photographers

"Angela M. Cable" wrote

they probably weren't Wyomingites. In
fact it sound like the attitude that comes off all those bloody, have
more money than sense Californians that have invaded the area in the
last twenty years or so.

Bumper sticker: "Don't Californicate Montana"

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Another tactic:

Pull out cell phone

Don't turn on (unless you want to)

"Hello, I need the number for the Ranger Station at
Teton National Park.

Yes hello, is this the dispatcher? Could you please
forward me.

Hello. I am having a problem resolving an altercation. Yes.
There is a lady here acting in a, well you know, er, provocative
manner. She, er, insists on standing in front of my camera
when I'm trying to take a picture. I am sort of at wit's end.

Yeah, I tried. Profanity. Bad.

[Stage whisper] If that's so its a pretty big rag. Chuckle.
[Just so she knows what kind of MCP the ranger is]

Well, if one is in the vicinity and it is not too much
bother..."

Stand in front of the car door when she wants to leave.
Inform her she needs to stay and talk to the Ranger.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote in
message ...
Hi, I need to vent a little.
I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a
wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm
then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose
every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles,
osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with
digital from wide to long telephoto.

Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they
were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly
moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice.

Except "The Pro."

I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with
clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one
of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and
I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close
to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and
there are only a couple of other people there.

Two women stop, and approach my area.
One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here
hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a
spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on
the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two
people move into the camera field of view,
which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens.
I explained that they were in my field of view and I
was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera
said:

"I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do
a shoot."

I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I
am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here."

She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional,
I can go where I want."

They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she
photographed the other woman. She would not give me her
name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional
photographer would act this way.

I had to wait until they were finished before I could
shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were
not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one
of those I was planning.

They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend
so it shows that my spot was not the only location,
even for the "pro."

While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what
I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there
might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested
that they are a pro and get their name and a card before
a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need
a license in the park? I would report them to the park
service, but I don't think it would do any good.

Roger
http://www.clarkvision.com

Another tactic:

Pull out cell phone

Don't turn on (unless you want to)

"Hello, I need the number for the Ranger Station at
Teton National Park.

Yes hello, is this the dispatcher? Could you please
forward me.

Hello. I am having a problem resolving an altercation. Yes.
There is a lady here acting in a, well you know, er, provocative
manner. She, er, insists on standing in front of my camera
when I'm trying to take a picture. I am sort of at wit's end.

Yeah, I tried. Profanity. Bad.

[Stage whisper] If that's so its a pretty big rag. Chuckle.
[Just so she knows what kind of MCP the ranger is]

Well, if one is in the vicinity and it is not too much
bother..."

Stand in front of the car door when she wants to leave.
Inform her she needs to stay and talk to the Ranger.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/
"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote in
message ...
Hi, I need to vent a little.
I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a
wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm
then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose
every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles,
osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with
digital from wide to long telephoto.

Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they
were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly
moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice.

Except "The Pro."

I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with
clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one
of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and
I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close
to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and
there are only a couple of other people there.

Two women stop, and approach my area.
One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here
hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a
spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on
the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two
people move into the camera field of view,
which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens.
I explained that they were in my field of view and I
was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera
said:

"I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do
a shoot."

I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I
am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here."

She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional,
I can go where I want."

They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she
photographed the other woman. She would not give me her
name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional
photographer would act this way.

I had to wait until they were finished before I could
shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were
not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one
of those I was planning.

They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend
so it shows that my spot was not the only location,
even for the "pro."

While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what
I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there
might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested
that they are a pro and get their name and a card before
a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need
a license in the park? I would report them to the park
service, but I don't think it would do any good.

Roger
http://www.clarkvision.com

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"Angela M. Cable" wrote


they probably weren't Wyomingites. In
fact it sound like the attitude that comes off all those bloody, have
more money than sense Californians that have invaded the area in the
last twenty years or so.


Bumper sticker: "Don't Californicate Montana"


Amen.

--
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"Angela M. Cable" wrote:

Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:

Two women stop, and approach my area.
One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here
hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a
spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on
the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two
people move into the camera field of view,
which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens.
I explained that they were in my field of view and I
was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera
said: [snip conversation with rude photographer]

If it makes you feel any better they probably weren't Wyomingites. In
fact it sound like the attitude that comes off all those bloody, have
more money than sense Californians that have invaded the area in the
last twenty years or so. [snip story about courteous Wyomingites]

What an asinine statement! Angela, when did you move to Wyoming?
....and when did they "shut the doors"?

-Dave

"Angela M. Cable" wrote:

Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:

Two women stop, and approach my area.
One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here
hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a
spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on
the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two
people move into the camera field of view,
which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens.
I explained that they were in my field of view and I
was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera
said: [snip conversation with rude photographer]

If it makes you feel any better they probably weren't Wyomingites. In
fact it sound like the attitude that comes off all those bloody, have
more money than sense Californians that have invaded the area in the
last twenty years or so. [snip story about courteous Wyomingites]

What an asinine statement! Angela, when did you move to Wyoming?
....and when did they "shut the doors"?

-Dave

"Dave Herzstein" wrote

What an asinine statement!

Objective and well reasoned.

when did they "shut the doors"?

Right after the first person moved in. The Indians should
have shut them a lot sooner and much harder, eh?

If Wyoming were a sovereign nation it would be well within
its rights to keep you out. Why are you surprised that the
populace has the same reaction even though it is a state.

Face it, it doesn't matter who you are, nobody wants you.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com
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"Dave Herzstein" wrote

What an asinine statement!

Objective and well reasoned.

when did they "shut the doors"?

Right after the first person moved in. The Indians should
have shut them a lot sooner and much harder, eh?

If Wyoming were a sovereign nation it would be well within
its rights to keep you out. Why are you surprised that the
populace has the same reaction even though it is a state.

Face it, it doesn't matter who you are, nobody wants you.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/

Dave Herzstein wrote:

"Angela M. Cable" wrote:

If it makes you feel any better they probably weren't Wyomingites. In
fact it sound like the attitude that comes off all those bloody, have
more money than sense Californians that have invaded the area in the
last twenty years or so. [snip story about courteous Wyomingites]


What an asinine statement! Angela, when did you move to Wyoming?
...and when did they "shut the doors"?

Move here? I've lived here nearly all of my life. I believe I was about
11 years old when our family moved to Jackson. Pity my mother didn't
keep that house up there, I'm sure one of the more money than sense
types would pay at least a half a million for it now. It's disgusting
what's happened to that area, most people in Wyoming don't really
consider Jackson to be Wyoming any more. Many, many people here would
tell anybody from either California or Texas to just stay where they
are. We get tired of hearing the constant, non-stop, every single
goddamned day whining out of them.

"There's noooothing to doooo here."
"Yip. If you don't actually use the four wheel drive in your ridiculous
SUV that seats eight, you're right. Nothing to do here, nothing to see.
Please go home."

"The weather sucks here all the time."
"Yip. Please go back to California where you don't have to worry about
that."

"I can't drive on these roads!"
"Everybody else made it here. If I don't see your face in an hour,
you're fired."

"Doesn't that wind ever stop?"
"No. Never. If you don't like it, feel free to go back where you came from."

"Where's the air conditioning?" OR "I'm stuck out here." "Where?" "I
don't know, I'm lost too."
Same answer:
"You must be from Texas."

"You have gangs *here*?"
"Yes. That would be *your* kids. Please go home and take them with you."


--
Angela M. Cable
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Dave Herzstein wrote:

"Angela M. Cable" wrote:

If it makes you feel any better they probably weren't Wyomingites. In
fact it sound like the attitude that comes off all those bloody, have
more money than sense Californians that have invaded the area in the
last twenty years or so. [snip story about courteous Wyomingites]


What an asinine statement! Angela, when did you move to Wyoming?
...and when did they "shut the doors"?

Move here? I've lived here nearly all of my life. I believe I was about
11 years old when our family moved to Jackson. Pity my mother didn't
keep that house up there, I'm sure one of the more money than sense
types would pay at least a half a million for it now. It's disgusting
what's happened to that area, most people in Wyoming don't really
consider Jackson to be Wyoming any more. Many, many people here would
tell anybody from either California or Texas to just stay where they
are. We get tired of hearing the constant, non-stop, every single
goddamned day whining out of them.

"There's noooothing to doooo here."
"Yip. If you don't actually use the four wheel drive in your ridiculous
SUV that seats eight, you're right. Nothing to do here, nothing to see.
Please go home."

"The weather sucks here all the time."
"Yip. Please go back to California where you don't have to worry about
that."

"I can't drive on these roads!"
"Everybody else made it here. If I don't see your face in an hour,
you're fired."

"Doesn't that wind ever stop?"
"No. Never. If you don't like it, feel free to go back where you came from."

"Where's the air conditioning?" OR "I'm stuck out here." "Where?" "I
don't know, I'm lost too."
Same answer:
"You must be from Texas."

"You have gangs *here*?"
"Yes. That would be *your* kids. Please go home and take them with you."


--
Angela M. Cable
Neocognition, digital scrapbooking source:
http://www.neocognition.com/

PSP Tutorial Links:
http://www.psplinks.com/

5th Street Studio, free graphics, websets and mo
http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/alaia/354/