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DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)



 
 
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Old March 20th 19, 09:56 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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Default DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 20:37:29 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:

*APPLE: Deliver almost no options*
SAMSUNG: Offer nearly every option & toggle that makes sense to the user


A key question for this rec.photo.digital newsgroup to answer might be...
o What "secret sauce" does _any_ smartphone maker have on the other,
in terms of ISP technology?

Regarding a further quick look at this dichotomy related to rec.photo.digital...
o Apple: Deliver almost no options
o Samsung: Offer nearly every option & toggle that makes user sense

This 2017 article says that ARM is providing the ISP to others:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/27/15449146/arm-mali-c71-isp-mobile-photography
"In terms of integration into a mobile chip, the ISP is little
different to ARM's GPU designs. A silicon vendor licenses the
intellectual property from ARM and then works to integrate the ISP
into its system-on-a-chip design, which would also include the
various CPU and GPU cores as well as power management and other
integrated parts. Then a smartphone maker can just order an
all-in-one solution to build a new smartphone or tablet device
around: CPU, GPU, and ISP all nicely tucked into the same chip. "

While Samsung touts its ISP technology:
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/exynos/technology/advanced-isp/
and while I'm sure Apple does too...
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/09/apple-invisage-acquisition/

A quick look shows other big names making and/or selling ISP tech:
ST: https://www.st.com/b/en/imaging-and-photonics-solutions/imaging-processors.html
Intel: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/atom-3800-isp-driver-user-guide.pdf
Thine: https://www.thine.co.jp/en/products/pr_details/Image-Signal-Processor.html
etc.

Since I suspect nospam will merely parrot what he finds in an Apple
Marketing Playbook, a quick look to see what Apple has by way of ISP
technology (over Samsung, for example), doesn't seem to show any "secret
sauce" on the part of Apple, other than the Apple-standard predilection of
removing options from the user versus the Samsung philosophy of offering
every useful tweak and setting to the user.

Since I make no claims to be a camera expert, I ask the actual photography
experts here to weigh in on what 'secret sauce' either Samsung, Apple, or
Arm would have on the other, in terms of current smartphone ISPs.
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Old March 20th 19, 10:02 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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Default DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:56:23 -0400, nospam wrote:

that's how almost all camera sensors work.


Hi nospam,

This is a thread on the QOR of the top ten cameras, where you brought up
the ISP, not me.

My question to the rec.photo.digital enthusiasts is simply
o What "secret sauce" (if any) does _any_ smartphone maker have on the
others, in terms of how ISP technology affects the final quality of result
that DXOMark analyzes in gory detail?

If there is no 'secret sauce', then the differential importance of the ISP
drops to insignificance, for example.

If there is a secret sauce, then, depending on what that secret sauce is,
the ISP perhaps "could" result in a final QOR differential.
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Old April 19th 19, 07:24 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:59:56 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:

Here is the DXOMark overall camera output QOR summary as of this week:
https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/

#1 = Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus & Huawei Mate 20 Pro & Huawei P20 Pro
#2 = Xiaomi Mi 9
#3 = Apple iPhone XS Max
#4 = Samsung Galaxy Note 9 & Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 & HTC U12+
#5 = Huawei P20
#6 = Google Pixel 3 & Apple iPhone XR
#7 = Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus & Xiaomi Mi 8
#8 = Google Pixel 2 & OnePlus 6T
#9 = Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S & Apple iPhone X & Huawei Mate 10 Pro
#10 = OnePlus 6


Current top ten as of today:
#1 Samsung Galaxy S10 5G & Huawei P30 Pro
#2 Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus & Huawei Mate 20 Pro & Huawei P20 Pro
#3 Xiaomi Mi 9
#4 Apple iPhone XS Max
#5 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 & Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 & HTC U12+
#6 Huawei P20
#7 Google Pixel 3 & Apple iPhone XR
#8 Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus & Xiaomi Mi 8
#9 Google Pixel 2 & OnePlus 6T
#10 Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S & Huawei Mate 10 Pro & Apple iPhone X

https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/
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Old April 21st 19, 09:23 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 20/04/2019 23:41, RichA wrote:
On Sunday, 17 March 2019 13:00:00 UTC-4, arlen holder wrote:
Here is the DXOMark overall camera output QOR summary as of this week:
https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/

#1 = Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus & Huawei Mate 20 Pro & Huawei P20 Pro
#2 = Xiaomi Mi 9
#3 = Apple iPhone XS Max
#4 = Samsung Galaxy Note 9 & Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 & HTC U12+
#5 = Huawei P20
#6 = Google Pixel 3 & Apple iPhone XR
#7 = Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus & Xiaomi Mi 8
#8 = Google Pixel 2 & OnePlus 6T
#9 = Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S & Apple iPhone X & Huawei Mate 10 Pro
#10 = OnePlus 6

The detailed itemized reviews are, of course, also on the web site.

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Where they all shot at some ridiculously low ISO, like 32?


Not everyone wants pin-sharp 20 x 30 prints, Rich. Perhaps not for you,
but for very many the better smart-phones are now quite adequate in many
circumstances (this from a previously full-frame Kodachrome DSLR user).

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Old October 25th 19, 04:18 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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Default DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results (the best known smarphone camera output QOR known to date)

On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:59:56 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:

DXOMark overall camera output QOR summary as of today, 10/25/2019
https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/

Top Ten:
o 1 Huawei Mate 30 Pro (121)
o 2 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 5G (117)
o 3 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ (117)
o 4 Huawei P30 Pro (116)
o 5 Samsung Galaxy S10 5G (116)
o 6 OnePlus 7 Pro (114)
o 7 Honor 20 Pro (113)
o 8 Samsung Galaxy S10+ (113)
o 9 Google Pixel 4 (112)
o 10 Huawei Mate 20 Pro (112)

All the rest:
o 11 Xiaomi Mi 9 (110)
o 12 Huawei P20 Pro (109)
o 13 Apple iPhone XS Max (106)
o 14 Asus ZenFone 6 (104)
o 15 HTC U12+ (103)
o 16 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (103)
o 17 Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 (103)
o 18 Google Pixel 3 (102)
o 19 Xiaomi Redmi K20 Pro (102)
o 20 Apple iPhone XR (101)
o 21 Google Pixel 3a (100)
o 22 Google Pixel 2 (99)
o 23 LG G8 ThinQ (99)
o 24 Samsung Galaxy S9+ (99)
o 25 Xiaomi Mi 8 (99)
o 26 OnePlus 6T (98)
o 27 Apple iPhone X (97)
o 28 Huawei Mate 10 Pro (97)
o 29 Lenovo Z6 Pro (97)
o 30 OnePlus 6 (96)
o 31 Apple iPhone 8 Plus (94)
o 32 LG V40 ThinQ (94)
o 33 Samsung Galaxy Note 8 (94)
o 34 Sony Xperia 1 (94)
o 35 Xiaomi Pocophone F1 (91)
o 36 Asus ZenFone 5 (90)
o 37 General Mobile GM9 Pro (90)
o 38 Google Pixel (90)
o 39 HTC U11 (90)
o 40 Vivo X20 Plus (90)
o 41 Xiaomi Mi Note 3 (90)
o 42 Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge (89)
o 43 Apple iPhone 7 Plus (88)
o 44 Samsung Galaxy A9 (86)
o 45 Crosscall Trekker-X4 (85)
o 46 Nokia 9 PureView (85)
o 47 Samsung Galaxy A50 (85)
o 48 LG G7 ThinQ (83)
o 49 LG V30 (82)
o 50 Motorola Moto Z2 Force (82)
o 51 Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge (82)
o 52 Motorola Moto G7 Plus (80)
o 53 Apple iPhone 6 (73)
o 54 Google Nexus 6P (73)
o 55 Meizu Pro 7 Plus (71)
o 56 Lava Z25 (70)
o 57 Samsung Galaxy S5 (70)
o 58 Motorola Moto G5S (69)
o 59 Apple iPhone 5s (68)
o 60 Nokia 8 (68)
o 61 Samsung Galaxy J2 Pro (2018) (65)
o 62 Altice S61 (56)

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Old November 19th 19, 02:05 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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https://www.dxomark.com/category/smartphone-reviews/
(as of November 19th, 2019)

Top dozen camera quality of results in detailed independent tests:
o 01 Huawei Mate 30 Pro (121) (93)
o 02 Xiaomi Mi CC9 Pro Premium Edition (121)
o 03 Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max (117) (71)
o 04 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 5G (117) (99) (66)
o 05 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ (117) (66)
o 06 Huawei P30 Pro (116) (89)
o 07 Samsung Galaxy S10 5G (116) (97)
o 08 OnePlus 7 Pro (114) (86)
o 09 Honor 20 Pro (113) (85) (53)
o 10 Samsung Galaxy S10+ (113) (96) (65)
o 11 Google Pixel 4 (112) (92)
o 12 Huawei Mate 20 Pro (112) (75)

All the rest:
o 13 Xiaomi Mi 9 (110)
o 14 Huawei P20 Pro (109) (72)
o 15 Apple iPhone XS Max (106) (82) (74)
o 16 Asus ZenFone 6 (104) (98)
o 17 HTC U12+ (103)
o 18 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (103) (92)
o 19 Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 (103) (84)
o 20 Google Pixel 3 (102) (92)
o 21 Xiaomi Redmi K20 Pro (102)
o 22 Apple iPhone XR (101*)
o 23 Google Pixel 3a (100*)
o 24 Google Pixel 2 (99) (77)
o 25 LG G8 ThinQ (99)
o 26 Samsung Galaxy S9+ (99*) (81)
o 27 Xiaomi Mi 8 (99*)
o 28 OnePlus 6T (98*)
o 29 Apple iPhone X (97) (71)
o 30 Huawei Mate 10 Pro (97*)
o 31 Lenovo Z6 Pro (97) (75)
o 32 OnePlus 6 (96*)
o 33 Apple iPhone 8 Plus (94)
o 34 LG V40 ThinQ (94*)
o 35 Samsung Galaxy Note 8 (94*)
o 36 Sony Xperia 1 (94) (78) (45)
o 37 Xiaomi Pocophone F1 (91*)
o 38 Asus ZenFone 5 (90*)
o 39 General Mobile GM9 Pro (90)
o 40 Google Pixel (90)
o 41 HTC U11 (90*)
o 42 Vivo X20 Plus (90*)
o 43 Xiaomi Mi Note 3 (90*)
o 44 Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge (89*)
o 45 Apple iPhone 7 Plus (88)
o 46 Samsung Galaxy A9 (86*)
o 47 Crosscall Trekker-X4 (85*)
o 48 Nokia 9 PureView (85)
o 49 Samsung Galaxy A50 (85)
o 50 Black Shark 2 (84)
o 51 LG G7 ThinQ (83*)
o 52 LG V30 (82*)
o 53 Motorola Moto Z2 Force (82*)
o 54 Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge (82*)
o 55 Motorola Moto G7 Plus (80)
o 56 Apple iPhone 6 (73*)
o 57 Google Nexus 6P (73*)
o 58 Meizu Pro 7 Plus (71*)
o 59 Lava Z25 (70*)
o 60 Samsung Galaxy S5 (70*)
o 61 Motorola Moto G5S (69*)
o 62 Apple iPhone 5s (68)
o 63 Nokia 8 (68*)
o 64 Wiko View 3 Pro (67)
o 65 Fairphone 3 (66)
o 66 Samsung Galaxy J2 Pro (2018) (65*)
o 67 Altice S61 (56)
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Old November 19th 19, 02:27 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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Arlen Holder wrote:
https://www.dxomark.com/category/smartphone-reviews/
(as of November 19th, 2019)

What manufacturers' smartphones are included in the tests?

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Old November 19th 19, 02:34 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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In article , Chris Green
wrote:

https://www.dxomark.com/category/smartphone-reviews/
(as of November 19th, 2019)

What manufacturers' smartphones are included in the tests?


the ones that paid dxo.
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Old November 19th 19, 03:21 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,rec.photo.digital
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:34:37 -0500, nospam wrote:

https://www.dxomark.com/category/smartphone-reviews/
(as of November 19th, 2019)

What manufacturers' smartphones are included in the tests?


the ones that paid dxo.


Tthese two dozen manufacturers are listed in the sixty seven tests
(average of 3 devices per manufacturer).
o Altice
o Apple
o Asus
o Black
o Crosscall
o Fairphone
o General
o Google
o HTC
o Honor
o Huawei
o LG
o Lava
o Lenovo
o Meizu
o Motorola
o Nokia
o OnePlus
o Samsung
o Sony
o Vivo
o Wiko
o Xiaomi

While I note that my $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus is, unfortunately not
represented, what manufacturers are people asking for that aren't listed?

As for nospam's constant baseless fabrications, it just proves again:
o The problem with apologists is they have no adult response to fact.

In fact, nospam has only 7 basic responses to facts he doesn't like:
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ

If nospam feels there is valid evidence DXOmark is being paid...
o Name just one

It's what an adult would do.

NOTE: The fact nospam is incessantly fabricating imaginary happenings is
always in relation to the fact that nospam never seems to have any adult
response to facts he simply doesn't like.
o Why do the apologists like nospam turn into instant children in the face of mere facts (e.g., ftfy)?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/TZbkkqS3jv4/3_TTHgRpBwAJ

The child-like response nospam most often comes up with in response to
facts he hates is that he conjures up completely baseless utter
fabrications sans a shred of proof, which is nospam's specialty, just as
it's the specialty of the fifth-grade bullies I confront often at schools
that I substitute teach at.

In fact, I've nicknamed a particularly pernicious fourth-grade bully
"nospam", simply because every time he's involved in an altercation, he
fabricates baseless accusations, just as nospam always does, where he has
no concept of the fact that nobody believes a word he says, since he can
never back up his fabricated claims, with even a _single_ fact.

Nospam is so addicted to baseless fabrications that he incessantly
fabricates conversations that never happened, just so that he can respond
to them with his always in-the-fifth-grade concept of a witty retort.
o Why do Jolly Roger & nospam always FABRICATE conversations?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GExRc1qrFGo/JBzdCKSSAwAJ

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Old November 20th 19, 09:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:54:20 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 November 2019 14:21:33 UTC, Arlen Holder wrote:



If nospam feels there is valid evidence DXOmark is being paid...
o Name just one


Who pays DXOmark to do it someone must get paid surely or does everyone work for nothing.
How to they aqurie all these phones to test, are they given one to test and then return it or do they get to keep it.
Do they just test a phone once or many times ?


I suppose that, like any commercial lab, they will a fixed scale of
charges for both time and standard tests.

It's what an adult would do.


An adult would try to work out why someone would test dozens of phones every month or so without being paid.



The child-like response nospam most often comes up with in response to
facts he hates is that he conjures up completely baseless utter
fabrications sans a shred of proof, which is nospam's specialty, just as
it's the specialty of the fifth-grade bullies I confront often at schools
that I substitute teach at.


What do you do to confront bullies ?
How do we know they are bullying you or anyone.



In fact, I've nicknamed a particularly pernicious fourth-grade bully
"nospam", simply because every time he's involved in an altercation, he
fabricates baseless accusations, just as nospam always does, where he has
no concept of the fact that nobody believes a word he says, since he can
never back up his fabricated claims, with even a _single_ fact.


Well you could actually find out whether anyone gets paid for testing or prove that they are doing it for the love of it.
Most peolpe get paid for doing jobs, the only things people don't normally get paid to do are called hobbies or is it slavery.


Seek and ye shall find:

https://www.androidauthority.com/dxo...lesome-805633/

"DxO Labs, the company which runs the DxOMark testing suite, is
primarily a consultancy company. In other words, the company
charges fees to advise camera hardware companies on how to improve
their photography products."

.... for whatever that is worth.






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