Four-thirds?

In article 3xwKc.122954$Oq2.35285@attbi_s52, dy
says...
That's usually irrelevant. Absolute top quality isn't usually a
marketable feature. The market only cares if it's good enough. Most of
the time "good enough" isn't the state-of-the-art.

Sure... until you lose business to someone who can do images you
*can't*.

Wasn't an issue with film - film was film. With digital, you're limited
permanently by the sensor, and in the case of the Oly E-1, the lens
mount.

Again, the Oly is a perfectly fine camera and a decent niche product.
It is not a GREAT camera, nor does it deliver on the promises of the 4/3
standard. Considering you can get better performance and a wider lens
selection from cameras costing $500 less, people are right to be
critical of the camera and the 4/3 standard. Doesn't mean we hate it -
but we certainly don't see merits when there are none.

In article ELwKc.87743$WX.47382@attbi_s51, dy
says...
So, in ideal situations the 10D has a build quality that will match the
E-1 just fine. However, for 1000 shots a day, every day, in all kinds of
weather and abuse the 10D isn't close to any of the pro level cameras.

So you accuse other of not justifying their statements, and then you
make statements like this? For shame, Clyde.

To have you know, many pro photographers carry both a pro-level Canon
dSLR AND a 10D as backup. I haven't heard of any of the 10Ds failing in
that task.

In article ELwKc.87743$WX.47382@attbi_s51, dy
says...
So, in ideal situations the 10D has a build quality that will match the
E-1 just fine. However, for 1000 shots a day, every day, in all kinds of
weather and abuse the 10D isn't close to any of the pro level cameras.

So you accuse other of not justifying their statements, and then you
make statements like this? For shame, Clyde.

To have you know, many pro photographers carry both a pro-level Canon
dSLR AND a 10D as backup. I haven't heard of any of the 10Ds failing in
that task.

From: Clyde dy

There are plenty of professional photography areas that 5 MP and a tiny
touch of noise is perfectly acceptable.

And of course every one of those areas would be just as well or better served
by 6 Mpixels with less noise, coming from less expensive cameras using much
less expensive lenses, lenses which are available in a much wider range of
speeds and focal lengths.

Bill

"Brian C. Baird" wrote:


If the 4/3 format is going to compete, it will have to compete on all
levels. Better to have less noise than more - if you really want it you
can add it back in later.

No, you can't. The people who like noise insist on the real thing. Faked
noise just doesn't look as good.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

"Brian C. Baird" wrote:


If the 4/3 format is going to compete, it will have to compete on all
levels. Better to have less noise than more - if you really want it you
can add it back in later.

No, you can't. The people who like noise insist on the real thing. Faked
noise just doesn't look as good.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

MarkH wrote:

Alfred Molon wrote in
:

Brian C. Baird wrote:
In article ,
says...
well for starters, that would make the E-1 two stops faster.

Lourens

Except the E-1 has more noise, so deduct a stop.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond70/page14.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page15.asp

At ISO 800 the E1 with noise filter enabled has the same noise levels as
the 300D and D70 (all at 3.0). We can safely assume that the noise
filter is activated by default on the D70 and 300D (no way to disable
it).

At lower ISOs the E1 with noise filter is less noisy than the D70 and
slightly more noisy than the 300D.

Ha-ha, nice one. This is an example of telling part of the truth to fool
people isn’t it?

I would encourage everyone interested to check the link and take a look at
the horrific ISO1600 and ISO3200 noise from the E-1.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page15.asp

Hell, I don’t even like to use ISO3200 on my 10D, but the ISO 1600 from the
E-1 is way worse.


canon at 3200 seems to match the E1 at 800.

--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

MarkH wrote:

Alfred Molon wrote in
:

Brian C. Baird wrote:
In article ,
says...
well for starters, that would make the E-1 two stops faster.

Lourens

Except the E-1 has more noise, so deduct a stop.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond70/page14.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page15.asp

At ISO 800 the E1 with noise filter enabled has the same noise levels as
the 300D and D70 (all at 3.0). We can safely assume that the noise
filter is activated by default on the D70 and 300D (no way to disable
it).

At lower ISOs the E1 with noise filter is less noisy than the D70 and
slightly more noisy than the 300D.

Ha-ha, nice one. This is an example of telling part of the truth to fool
people isn’t it?

I would encourage everyone interested to check the link and take a look at
the horrific ISO1600 and ISO3200 noise from the E-1.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page15.asp

Hell, I don’t even like to use ISO3200 on my 10D, but the ISO 1600 from the
E-1 is way worse.


canon at 3200 seems to match the E1 at 800.

--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

MarkH wrote:

Alfred Molon wrote in
:


I would encourage everyone interested to check the link and take a look at
the horrific ISO1600 and ISO3200 noise from the E-1.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page15.asp


Based on the graphs, you should have gotten an S2.



Hell, I don’t even like to use ISO3200 on my 10D, but the ISO 1600 from the
E-1 is way worse.

--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

MarkH wrote:

Alfred Molon wrote in
:


I would encourage everyone interested to check the link and take a look at
the horrific ISO1600 and ISO3200 noise from the E-1.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page15.asp


Based on the graphs, you should have gotten an S2.



Hell, I don’t even like to use ISO3200 on my 10D, but the ISO 1600 from the
E-1 is way worse.

--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"