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Old June 14th 18, 09:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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And they still do not show tonal gradations in the darker areas.


yes they do.

That is
one of the reasons why graphics professionals use matte displays.


some might, but most are using retina quality displays because of the
higher resolution along with wide gamut displays for better colour.
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Old June 14th 18, 09:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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I for one canąt even thing of a term as insulting for Windows, or Linux
users as the łappleseed˛ you and Mayayana use to demean Mac users.


windroid is a common one, but there are others.

...and I do take it personally, as it is not, cute, flippant, or funny. With
your response above you confirm that you are targeting individuals. The way
you, and Mayayana use it is intentionally insulting.


yep.
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Old June 15th 18, 04:29 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 6/14/2018 3:44 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 14, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 6/14/2018 12:44 AM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


Now when are you going to stop using “apple seeds”?
It has a nasty ring to it, the tone is intentionally demeaning, andisn’t
cute.


When certain individuals stop worshiping a brand name, and recognize
that different people have different,and legitimate needs.


There is more than one Apple user in this NG, and I have yet to find any of
them refering to users of other OSses by blatantly demeaning terms. Each of
us have made decisions regarding cameras, lenses, processing software, and
OS. Those decisions have been based on photographic purpose, personal budget,
and particular biases.

I for one can’t even thing of a term as insulting for Windows, or Linux
users as the “appleseed” you and Mayayana use to demean Mac users.

...and I do take it personally, as it is not, cute, flippant, or funny. With
your response above you confirm that you are targeting individuals. The way
you, and Mayayana use it is intentionally insulting.


You are right on. I intentionally used the term to mean what you
suggest. I have little patience for people who continually refuse to
admit that any product is suitable for all people. And continually throw
hissy fits anytime somebody makes a decision that a particular Apple
product will not meet their needs. I hope you know, and understand that
I was not calling all people who choose to use a Apple products "Apple
seeds." To do so would not be in accord with my personal philosophy of life.
As a personal matter, I have used a iPhones and iPods for years. When a
certain individual refers to me as an Apple basher, it is a deliberate
lie, as he well knows, that I not only use Apple products, but also have
some IPO Apple stock. I have previously stated my reasons for using PCs,
for both desktop and notebook. When I am ready for a new machine I will
do a fair evaluation of my needs, and make a decision based upon my own
evaluation.


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Old June 15th 18, 04:46 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 6/14/2018 3:52 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 14, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 6/14/2018 1:24 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 6/14/2018 12:18 AM, nospam wrote:
In , PeterN
wrote:

One of my reasons for not getting one, is that I
do not like a glossy screen.

that hasn't been an issue in nearly a decade.

It is for me, and that's what counts. Instead of posting a knee jerk
reaction, read what I said.


the current displays are nowhere near as glossy as they used to be.

retina resolution is *far* more important.


More important for what purpose?

If you want to give up tonal gradations in the dark areas, that's fine
with me.
I guess it's more important for posting non-existent images.


Tonal graduations in dark areas? I have yet to see any evidence that you are
truly concerned with that problem.

I suggest that the next time you have the opportunity you should see for
yourself how one of your images appears on one of the latest 5K Mac displays.
I am sure that B&H would be more than happy to give you access to one of
their Macs in their store when next you visit. I believe you will be
surprised.


I looked at a whole bunch of monitors before I bought the one I have. I
will probably use my current monitor strictly for menus and certain
competition submissions, and get a 32" for my other work. I have not
decided which one, but so far the NEC MultiSync PA322UHD, is in the
lead. Many of us have different styles, and photographic tastes. If I
had an interest in doing event photography, then I certainly would want
to show the proofs on a portable Mac. or an iPad with a retina screen.
Since that is not my interest, I made a decision that as presently
configured, I have not seen a laptop, produced by Apple, or Microsoft,
that would work for me. I have been using Lenovo notebooks for the last
ten to fifteen years, and they are working fine for me. YMMV.

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Old June 15th 18, 05:05 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:25:58 -0400, "J.Albert"
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On 6/13/18 10:08 PM, Bill W wrote:
Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best
price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed?


Sometimes shopping around can save $100-200.
You can also buy Apple-factory refurbished units (almost
indistinguishable from new, same 1-year warranty as new).

I wouldn't buy a 2016-2017 MacBook Pro due to problems with
the keyboards. VERY expensive repair if needed out-of-warranty.

I prefer the 2015 design -- better all around with a
keyboard that doesn't break and a full complement of legacy
ports.


Thanks. I'll have to do some research on those keyboards.
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Old June 15th 18, 05:11 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:48:17 -0700, Savageduck
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On Jun 13, 2018, Bill W wrote
(in ):

My home is paid for, and I'm moving to a place where housing is about
half what it is here, so if I buy something about the same size, I
might have enough left over to buy an Apple product... So some
questions:

Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best
price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed?

I see that there a lot of listings with years mentioned. How far back
can I go to be able to dual boot into Windows? How far back to get a
great retina display? And how far back to get great performance,
something that is more than adequate for LR & PS, video and audio
editing? How far back where I can still easily add a second high
quality display?


You could go back as far as 2010 to be able to dual boot into Windows, and
still run the latest macOS. However, that is pushing the envelope with regard
to future macOS upgrades.

I suggest you explore OWC as they have later models which they can custom
configure. They have a solid return policy, and offer great service. You are
only limited by your budget.

https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Apple_Systems/Used/Macs_and_Tablets

Since you are considering a MacBook Pro the configuration and CPU are going
to determine price. For example here is a mid 2014 15” with 16GB memory, a
quad core i7, and 1 TB SSD for $1999. You do know Macs hold their value?

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Apple/PD2HS62XXXXXC/

Otherwise go straight to Apple and buy new:

https://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/15-inch

...and this might be a good starting point for new, with some custom
configuration if you need it.

https://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/s...y-mac/macbook-
pro?product=MJLQ2LL/A&step=config#


I think I misled a bit - although I would consider a used unit, new is
my preference right now.

I think I'm going to put this off for a bit, since the new ones are
coming out soon. I had a specific reason for grabbing one right away,
but it's not that important. my current laptop is still usable. In
fact, after I get settled in my new town, I might consider getting a
desktop instead.

There were a lot of replies to this thread, so I did get plenty of
useful info. I had no idea that Apple products were reduced at times.
One funny this is that an Apple desktop is the first computer I ever
touched many years ago, and I have never touched one since. It has
nothing to do with my first experience with them, it's just that once
you start on a platform, in my case Windows, you are likely to just
stick with it. And I did. Getting an Apple is like my reward for
suffering through Windows all these years.
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Old June 15th 18, 05:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:05:25 -0400, PeterN
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On 6/13/2018 10:08 PM, Bill W wrote:
My home is paid for, and I'm moving to a place where housing is about
half what it is here, so if I buy something about the same size, I
might have enough left over to buy an Apple product... So some
questions:

Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best
price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed?

I see that there a lot of listings with years mentioned. How far back
can I go to be able to dual boot into Windows? How far back to get a
great retina display? And how far back to get great performance,
something that is more than adequate for LR & PS, video and audio
editing? How far back where I can still easily add a second high
quality display?


That is a fine machine. Whether you are getting one depends upon what
you plan to use it for. One of my reasons for not getting one, is that I
do not like a glossy screen. I find that I do not get the tonality in
the darker areas with a glossy screen, that I get with a matte screen.
If you plan to use it just for family type, or event pictures, it will
be fine. Based on my experience with the iPhone, and iPad, Apple service
has been satisfactory. The techies seem to know what they are doing. I
can't say about dual boot on the portable, but I'm sure that you will
get an honest and knowledgeable answer from Apple. As for price, some of
the big box stores sell either reconditioned, or out of the box
machines. I don't know about Apple. However, based upon my on experience
I would only purchase an Apple product directly from Apple. But that's
the conservative purchaser in me.


Like I told Duck, I haven't so much as touched any Apple computer
since the Lisa(?) many years ago. And when I shop, I don't even glance
at the Apple section, so it's pretty important for me to stop in
somewhere and actually look at one of these things...
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Old June 15th 18, 05:19 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:18:20 -0400, nospam
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In article , Bill W
wrote:

My home is paid for, and I'm moving to a place where housing is about
half what it is here, so if I buy something about the same size, I
might have enough left over to buy an Apple product... So some
questions:


half the value of even the smallest house can buy a whole lotta apple
products.


It's the MBP, or that Porsche I always wanted...

Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best
price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed?


absolutely. prices are not fixed. shop around.


That is very good news.

one of the easiest and safest options is browse apple's refurb section,
which is generally around 15-20% off and includes a full warranty.

the only downside is your choices are limited to what's available when
you look, which changes daily, if not hourly (sometimes even less).
there is no build to order, and if you're looking for a specific model
and/or configuration, you may have to wait.

on the upside, you might get more than you bargained for, with *better*
specs than what's listed. no guarantees of course, but if they have a
handful of a higher config but not enough to add separate listing, they
might get included with a lower spec model and a few people get lucky.

otherwise, look for sales, particularly when new models are released
(which should be real soon now).

non-apple stores tend to offer discounts to clear old stock for the new
models. apple stores send them back to apple, where they end up on the
refurb store (i.e., they're still 'new', just last year's model).

b&h and adorama have periodic promos, sometimes rather lucrative ones
($800-1000 off higher end models, sometimes even more). best buy has
also been known to have unadvertised specials, sometimes 40-50% off the
original price.

not surprisingly, the best deals don't last long.

also keep in mind that unlike a lot of companies, the warranty goes
with the product, not the original buyer, even if you buy it used off
ebay (assuming it's not stolen).

I see that there a lot of listings with years mentioned. How far back
can I go to be able to dual boot into Windows?


2006, when apple transitioned to intel processors.

i don't remember what the cutoff is for win10 support, but it's at
least 2012, possibly earlier, and you don't really want a mac that old
anyway.

installing windows is easy, actually easier than a regular pc.

however, i would strongly suggest getting vmware instead (or in
addition to) so you can run windows apps alongside mac apps, without
the need to reboot.

How far back to get a
great retina display?


2012 for macbook pros, 2014 for the imac. wide gamut dci-p3 is 2016.

And how far back to get great performance,
something that is more than adequate for LR & PS, video and audio
editing?


that depends what you mean by more than adequate.

someone shooting photos and videos as a hobby will have a very
different idea than a pro who shoots ****loads photos or is producing
hour-long 4k videos every day.

but basically, unless you're a pro, anything in the last few years will
be fine, mac or windows.

as i said, there are new models due real soon now, so if you're not in
a rush, it would be *extremely* wise to wait a bit.

the fall is generally when new stuff is announced, alongside the
release of the next version of the various oses, but hardware could be
at any time. apple can easily push out a custom build if needed.

new models also means that the existing models will be discounted, so
either you get something very up to date or you save some cash.

much of the delays for mac updates are due to intel, something which is
affecting the entire industry.

unless of course, apple starts designing their own processors for
future macs, something they've been doing for ios devices for years...

How far back where I can still easily add a second high
quality display?


1987 with the macintosh ii, for up to six physical displays (one video
card per slot) and up to 255 total displays, including virtual ones.

since then, all that's required is the ability to connect additional
displays, which will vary, depending on specific model.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht206587
https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht202351

and at the high end,
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208366
With four Thunderbolt 3 ports built-in, iMac Pro supports up to four
4K displays or up to two 5K displays.

and that's *in* *addition* to the built-in 5k display.


All very helpful info, and I might wait a bit as you suggested. I
really want 16/512 or even 16/1TB, and I'd prefer the i7, so a
discount on one of those can be very meaningful.
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Old June 15th 18, 05:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Thanks. I'll have to do some research on those keyboards.


go to an apple store and see how they feel.

the new butterfly keyboard has less travel than the older keyboard,
which some people prefer and others definitely do not.

the second generation keyboard ('17 models) has slightly more travel
than the first gen.

the problem is the new keyboard was designed to minimize dirt ingress,
which it does do. however, that doesn't mean impossible, and if dirt
does get in, it's also harder for it to get out, thus the higher
incidence of failure.

other keyboards are not immune to dirt ingress either, including the
older macbook keyboards as well as keyboards on pc laptops and
desktops.

flip whatever keyboard you're currently using upside-down and shake it
a bit.
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Old June 15th 18, 05:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Bill W
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Like I told Duck, I haven't so much as touched any Apple computer
since the Lisa(?) many years ago.


yikes. that's 35 years ago.

And when I shop, I don't even glance
at the Apple section, so it's pretty important for me to stop in
somewhere and actually look at one of these things...


yep.

go to an apple store and they'll answer questions you never thought to
ask, or if you prefer, they'll leave you alone to play for an hour or
three.

feel free to bring a usb stick or even a portable hard drive with some
photos, videos or whatever else.
 




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