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On 9/6/2010 12:04 AM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
In omediainc, Donn wrote: So when I looked at Kodak large format in the '80s, it was "Vericolor" - I think Vericolor II ISO 100 tungsten balance, and Vericolor III ISO 160 daylight balance. That was it, as far as I knew. The color rendition of these films was somewhat conservative, which I have always thought of as a trait of professional emulsions in general. The 160 speed professional film lasted for many years almost unchanged. Its tungsten counterpart was replaced by VPL, which was tweaked for better performance with very long exosures. VPL had color balance somewhat closer to that of the amateur films, and more contrast, but not as much as Vericolor Commercial film (VCS) which at some point was replaced by VHC, a higher-contrast film with more saturated color meant for fashion work. Also briefly available in 4x5 (as well as roll sizes) was the 400-speed VPH, a faster daylight balanced film with color rendition more like that of VPL. VPH was eventualy replaced by Pro 400MC which was initially only available in roll sizes but was available in 4x5 and 8x10 for a few months before it in turn was cancelled and replaced. VPS and its 160-speed predecessors were always meant for portraiture and other low-contrast work and were balanced primarily to offer pleasing renditions of skin tones. As nobody in the world has green skin this did indeed lead to unusual green reproduction when these films were (inappropriately!) used for certain other types of photography under uncontrolled lighting conditions. Pretty nifty results could be had in nasty weather, though, with storm clouds and the like. Very ominous, if also somewhat unreal. The last set of adjustments to Kodak's product lines replaced all the traditional daylight-balanced professional films with "Portra NC" and "Portra VC" films. The "VC" films had considerably more contrast and color saturation, but the 160-speed "NC" film remains markedly similar to the old Vericolor III and VPS and the 400-speed "NC" film remains not too different from VPH! Grain is better in all the new films and the color rendition of the 160 speed NC with subjects that aren't white people is a little less quirky. All these films are available in sheet sizes unless Kodak has cancelled them in the last year or so; I tend to buy in bulk and it lasts me a while. I have not used large format in years, but thank you for your discussion in detail. It agrees precisely with what I was originally stating. You cite in detail the "portrait oriented color" that I hated so much. And also the later "commercial" films that were better in green rendition, but not as accurate for foliage as the then-current 35mm films. Doug McDonald |
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On 9/9/2010 11:23 AM, Doug McDonald wrote:
I have not used large format in years, but thank you for your discussion in detail. It agrees precisely with what I was originally stating. Actually what you originally stated was: There is an answer to that: becasue even to this day, 4x5 films are simply inferior to 35mm ones (unless you like Velvia). I suppose now you have forgotten the "Even to this day" statement that is why we questioned your statement to start with. Obviously at some point in the past you can find a time when your statement could apply but clearly this blanket statement you made is false. I know I've never experienced what you talked about in the last 20 years of shooting LF. Their 100 speed color films have always worked fine for landscape work and I guess I never even considered trying to use low contrast portrait films for landscapes... Stephe |
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