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My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening.
Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? TIA Toby -- "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:08:54 -0800, Ockham's Razor wrote:
My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? NEVER futz with the original of any digital file _without_ first making a backup copy. In-camera miky-maus with the image violates this Rule. Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux 38.24N 104.55W | @ config.com | Jonesy | OS/2 *** Killfiling google posts: http://jonz.net/ng.htm |
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? TIA Toby I prefer to do all such operations on my computer, where I have options (there are multiple algorithms for sharpening) and can reverse the result if it isn't satisfactory. |
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Today, Ockham's Razor made these interesting comments ...
My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? 'Tis FAR better to do image manipulation such as sharpening in an interactive graphics app where you can see the proposed results and there is an undo button. There are times when certain controls of your camera should be modified but one needs to be quite experienced as to what does what when and what kind of lighting conditions demand what changes. About the only way I know how to learn this stuff, and I am far from done with my Rebel XT learning, is to shoot thousands of test shots carefully controlling what you are changing, then look at the results. I tend to set my Rebel's controls pretty much as nominal and I ALWAYS save the original image files from the camera and work on a copy. Plus, I do incremental saves during difficult edits to guard against the 'puter going south or doing an editing blunder or just plain changing your mind. But, for anybody to really answer you question, perhaps you should talk about the subject(s) you intend to shoot, lighting condition (s) you expect, and the purpose(s) you intend to use the images for. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? TIA Toby The camera software is necessarily simple, having regard to the firmware space available to hold the various options. Computer-based image-handling software is far more sophisticated than the camera, and as others have said, is controllable and reversible. A downside is it takes time to do it in the computer, but from an image quality POV it is highly desirablerather than in-camera. Colin D. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Colin_D wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote: My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? TIA Toby The camera software is necessarily simple, having regard to the firmware space available to hold the various options. Computer-based image-handling software is far more sophisticated than the camera, and as others have said, is controllable and reversible. A downside is it takes time to do it in the computer, but from an image quality POV it is highly desirablerather than in-camera. Colin D. What you say is mostly true, but the proof, as they say, is in the pudding. It's generally a good rule of thumb that in-camera sharpening isn't as good as doing it in Photoshop or other software, but it's not necessarily true. The best thing to do is experiment and see what you get. Try shooting without in-camera sharpening, and then try it with the sharpening, as well. Try the different level settings for the sharpening. See what the camera can do for you. |
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? TIA Toby The pat answer is...use your editor, and I think that's right for the most part. But...that depends on two things: 1. Your editor (Some simple editors do a horrible job under "automatic sharpening" settings) 2. Your skill/know-how If you have a decent editor...AND...you know how to use it effectively, then you'll almost always have better results doing it yourself. Some folks botch their decent images badly by screwing up the setting in post-processing...or they horribly damage the image file beyond repair. Example: My dad has a good eye for a scene, and is an intelligent man. BUT...He's an absolute moron on the computer. For him, he's much better off just setting the sharpening up a touch in his Canon 10D...and enjoy shooting. I don't have any idea what your skill level is, or what software you use. You may be very good at it... But there are others reading along who may need to hear this. Experiment a bit and see the difference for yourself. Try your camera's various sharpness setting (BUT...make sure you set your camera on a tripod, or table and shoot the EXACT same scene at each setting...otherwise your tests will be invalidated by factors like camera shake, aperture settings, etc.). Then shoot without applying sharpening in-camera (or at its lowest setting), and then see how you do on that same shot. MarkČ -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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On Feb 5, 11:48 am, "HEMI-Powered" wrote:
'Tis FAR better to do image manipulation such as sharpening in an interactive graphics app where you can see the proposed results and there is an undo button. I agree. Leave the post-processing steps to the computer. That way you have the "original" file. My pet peeve is people who take B&W or sepia photos with a color digital camera. |
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
: My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. : Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? Warning: personal opinion and generalizations to follow I try to do as little in camera processing as possible. Some settings or cameras may be ok for a particular use (or user), but in general the less in camera processing the better. Also the post processing program you intend to use will effect how effective any process is. But in general most good editors will be able to do a better job than an in camera. Here's why I think this. It is purely a function of how much time is available for the processing to happen. If a procedure takes 10 seconds after each shot (slowing display, storage, repete shots, etc) many people would find this delay very upsetting. But the same process, using the same procedure in post editing taking the same 10 seconds would be counted a fast process. And so editors can use even more involved processes which take more time per image and still not upset the photographer. So in a very general sense a 25 sec very involved procedure in post processing is likely to be more exacting than the 2 sec processing in camera. As with anything else, your camera, your editor, your computer, your skill with the camera, your skill with the editor, etc will make the results vary greatly for each of us. Randy ========== Randy Berbaum Champaign, IL |
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Paul Mitchum wrote:
Colin_D wrote: Ockham's Razor wrote: My D 50 allows for some in camera sharpening. Is this better than sharpening later with PSE? TIA Toby The camera software is necessarily simple, having regard to the firmware space available to hold the various options. Computer-based image-handling software is far more sophisticated than the camera, and as others have said, is controllable and reversible. A downside is it takes time to do it in the computer, but from an image quality POV it is highly desirablerather than in-camera. Colin D. What you say is mostly true, but the proof, as they say, is in the pudding. It's generally a good rule of thumb that in-camera sharpening isn't as good as doing it in Photoshop or other software, but it's not necessarily true. The best thing to do is experiment and see what you get. Try shooting without in-camera sharpening, and then try it with the sharpening, as well. Try the different level settings for the sharpening. See what the camera can do for you. The objection to that procedure is the results are irreversible. For testing or playing around, it's fine, but for shots that you have to deliver on, in-camera processing of contrast, sharpness, etc. is dangerous. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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