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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be
exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering. Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme. Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was. One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you take the advise given and do better? |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
"ShutterXtreme" wrote in message oups.com... I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering. Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme. Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was. One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you take the advise given and do better? Hey! I know crap when I see it! |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
"ShutterXtreme" wrote in message oups.com... I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering. Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme. Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was. One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you take the advise given and do better? Dpreview forums are pretty good. I also like this one http://www.nylen.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl seems to be only pros and good advice. |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
I think some times people do not know crap from good and they get mad
at the truth. A old saying , if you start with crap and make it art its still crap not art...... www.photochimper.com |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
ShutterXtreme wrote:
I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering. Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme. Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was. One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no professional by any means, but I can sense crap. Sometimes it's not as cut and dry as that. People shoot for different reasons, and with diffrent visions of what photography is about. It is often illuminating to hear about the same shot from many perspectives. This is especially true when it comes to paricularly unusual artisitic styles of photography. People can look at the same shot and have equally legitimate criticisms right along side with praise. There is no formula for declaring crap...and I would caution you from making too broad a statement. Obviously there are times where technique is SO poor that it's easy to identify crummy results (like yellow skin in a shot that is supposed to be flatteringly natural...), but often it's not so clear. This is where opinions...good/bad/objective can be helpful and enjoyable to debate/discuss. I don't ever post crap, Are you sure? Where are you pics? so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you take the advise given and do better? Hopefully that's everyone's intent. Part of the problem is that many who comment don't do so with a constructive intent. Many people simply enjoy deriding others, which isn't helpful. Other times, people react negatively to a photographer who is too quick to announce/imply his/her own greatness...which is a sure ticket to ridicule and torment. |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
photochimperdude wrote:
I think some times people do not know crap from good and they get mad at the truth. A old saying , if you start with crap and make it art its still crap not art...... Yeah, the pope used to say that to Leonardo all the time. :O) -- Paul (We're too young to fall asleep) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
"ShutterXtreme" wrote in message oups.com... I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering. Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme. Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was. One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol But that old adage about "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" holds true for everything, including photography. I look at some of these shots that are supposed to be 'artistic' and all I see is nice photos that have been butchered. Some people love them, some hate them, but the person who concocted the mess did so based on his/her visions. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the problem arises with those who believe that everyone should have the same opinion at them. Voice your opinion, but don't belittle others views. Don I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you take the advise given and do better? Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
Here are two examples.
http://www.thephotographersworkshop....s/13798_15.jpg and http://www.shutterxtreme.com/guests/...full&imgID=430 for those that are wondering, this one is one of mine. The family shot is ok for their family, How am I gonna judge on this? Wheres the artistic value? I took great pride in capturing my leaf. and never haerd anything negitive. |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
On 22 Dec 2005 06:35:46 -0800, ShutterXtreme wrote:
Here are two examples. http://www.thephotographersworkshop....s/13798_15.jpg and http://www.shutterxtreme.com/guests/...full&imgID=430 for those that are wondering, this one is one of mine. The family shot is ok for their family, How am I gonna judge on this? Wheres the artistic value? I took great pride in capturing my leaf. and never haerd anything negitive. Your leaf image provides plenty of opportunities for constructive criticism. Some would mention: 1. The DOF problems. 2. The softness even in the sharpest areas. 3. The strong line placed right in the center. 4. The same line leading the eye into the image and straight out the other side. 5. The overall greenish tint. Some might offer some advice along the lines "Don't give up your day job." |
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Why do some people join photo review clubs?
I take critizism very well. Thank you for the pointers. That's not
what this topic was about. Please read the topic. |
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