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Old March 26th 12, 04:10 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Rich[_6_]
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Default One area film has it over digital

Robert Coe wrote in
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: The highlights held fine. I can pretty much guarantee the background
: wasn't pitch black to human eyes in that photo shoot.

Then how does that square with your assertion (see above) that film
does a better job of rendering dark areas?

Bob


It wouldn't create the same horrific mottling or banding or other digital
anomoly. The background would simply be dark.
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Old March 26th 12, 04:12 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Me wrote in :

On 25/03/2012 4:36 p.m., Robert Coe wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:51:55 -0500, wrote:
: Robert wrote in
: :
:
: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:10:14 -0700 (PDT),
: wrote:
:: Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new
:: gallery of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200
:: ISO. I raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at
:: the black background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled
:: effect. It simply goes black, which means all the silver/dye
:: simply washed away leaving the base of the film.
:: (Typo corrected at no additional charge)
:
: Your favorite photo editor will let you blacken the shadows of
: your digital images as much as your heart desires. And blow out
: the highlights too, if that's what you want (e.g., if that's what
: you were trying to achieve by jacking up the illumination level).
:
: Bob
:
:
: The highlights held fine. I can pretty much guarantee the
: background wasn't pitch black to human eyes in that photo shoot.

Then how does that square with your assertion (see above) that film
does a better job of rendering dark areas?

Why use a Canon DSLR in order to make a proclamation about shadow
detail recovery?
Canon's latest FF camera has two stops less dynamic range than the
competition at base ISO due to read noise from the sensor. The D800
has better DR/noise characteristics at ISO 800, than the 5D3 has at
ISO 100. At ISO 3200, the D800 has about the same DR as a D200 at ISO
200.


I was hoping to make the point without involving the Canon-Nikon feuds.
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Old March 26th 12, 04:55 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Me
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Default One area film has it over digital

On 26/03/2012 4:12 p.m., Rich wrote:
wrote in :

On 25/03/2012 4:36 p.m., Robert Coe wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:51:55 -0500, wrote:
: Robert wrote in
: :
:
: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:10:14 -0700 (PDT),
: wrote:
:: Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new
:: gallery of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200
:: ISO. I raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at
:: the black background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled
:: effect. It simply goes black, which means all the silver/dye
:: simply washed away leaving the base of the film.
:: (Typo corrected at no additional charge)
:
: Your favorite photo editor will let you blacken the shadows of
: your digital images as much as your heart desires. And blow out
: the highlights too, if that's what you want (e.g., if that's what
: you were trying to achieve by jacking up the illumination level).
:
: Bob
:
:
: The highlights held fine. I can pretty much guarantee the
: background wasn't pitch black to human eyes in that photo shoot.

Then how does that square with your assertion (see above) that film
does a better job of rendering dark areas?

Why use a Canon DSLR in order to make a proclamation about shadow
detail recovery?
Canon's latest FF camera has two stops less dynamic range than the
competition at base ISO due to read noise from the sensor. The D800
has better DR/noise characteristics at ISO 800, than the 5D3 has at
ISO 100. At ISO 3200, the D800 has about the same DR as a D200 at ISO
200.


I was hoping to make the point without involving the Canon-Nikon feuds.

There shouldn't be a feud. There's no point arguing with people who
prefer wishful thinking and flawed logic to hard evidence.

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Old March 26th 12, 06:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Trevor[_2_]
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Default One area film has it over digital


"Rich" wrote in message
...
Robert Coe wrote in
:
: The highlights held fine. I can pretty much guarantee the background
: wasn't pitch black to human eyes in that photo shoot.

Then how does that square with your assertion (see above) that film
does a better job of rendering dark areas?


It wouldn't create the same horrific mottling or banding or other digital
anomoly. The background would simply be dark.



So what, select the dark areas in photoshop, fill with black if that's all
you want!

Trevor.


 




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