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need advice: d50+sigma17-70 or minolta 5d
I'm planning to buy a dslr and I've narrowed my choice between:
- d50+sigma 17-70 macro (it would cost me 840 euro) - minolta 5d with 18-70 kit lens (for 680 euro) I've read some reviews and realized that d50 is more responsive, has a better af (faster, accurate, illuminator, af motor in lenses), has a better flash (sync 1/500!), a better grip, better battery life and produces better jpegs (contrast, color). I also have a 28-200 f/3.8-5.6 af-d tamron zoom I use with my old nikon f70 that could fit d50 too. On the other side d50 has a smaller viewfinder and lacks some of minolta 5d features (wb tuning, b&w, antishake(!!!), mirror lock, dof button, ecc.). So, 5d is cheaper but I probably would like to buy another zoom (used 70-210?) and minolta 18-70 is a cheap and not so fast lens. Nikon system has a wider lens park and better value on used market. I'm particulary concerned about minolta image quality and af performance. Which would you choose? Thanks! |
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need advice: d50+sigma17-70 or minolta 5d
Minolta has closed shop, so no more spare parts and replacement cameras.
When you want a higher spec camera in the future it will not be there. No more lenses either. "leonardo" wrote in message ups.com... I'm planning to buy a dslr and I've narrowed my choice between: - d50+sigma 17-70 macro (it would cost me 840 euro) - minolta 5d with 18-70 kit lens (for 680 euro) I've read some reviews and realized that d50 is more responsive, has a better af (faster, accurate, illuminator, af motor in lenses), has a better flash (sync 1/500!), a better grip, better battery life and produces better jpegs (contrast, color). I also have a 28-200 f/3.8-5.6 af-d tamron zoom I use with my old nikon f70 that could fit d50 too. On the other side d50 has a smaller viewfinder and lacks some of minolta 5d features (wb tuning, b&w, antishake(!!!), mirror lock, dof button, ecc.). So, 5d is cheaper but I probably would like to buy another zoom (used 70-210?) and minolta 18-70 is a cheap and not so fast lens. Nikon system has a wider lens park and better value on used market. I'm particulary concerned about minolta image quality and af performance. Which would you choose? Thanks! |
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need advice: d50+sigma17-70 or minolta 5d
Jeroen Wenting ha scritto: Minolta has closed shop, so no more spare parts and replacement cameras. When you want a higher spec camera in the future it will not be there. No more lenses either. sony bought minolta and is coming out with alpha. so there will be a higher spec camera and lenses. |
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need advice: d50+sigma17-70 or minolta 5d
leonardo wrote:
I'm planning to buy a dslr and I've narrowed my choice between: - d50+sigma 17-70 macro (it would cost me 840 euro) - minolta 5d with 18-70 kit lens (for 680 euro) I've read some reviews and realized that d50 is more responsive, has a better af (faster, accurate, illuminator, af motor in lenses), has a better flash (sync 1/500!), a better grip, better battery life and produces better jpegs (contrast, color). I also have a 28-200 f/3.8-5.6 af-d tamron zoom I use with my old nikon f70 that could fit d50 too. On the other side d50 has a smaller viewfinder and lacks some of minolta 5d features (wb tuning, b&w, antishake(!!!), mirror lock, dof button, ecc.). So, 5d is cheaper but I probably would like to buy another zoom (used 70-210?) and minolta 18-70 is a cheap and not so fast lens. Nikon system has a wider lens park and better value on used market. I'm particulary concerned about minolta image quality and af performance. Which would you choose? The D50 takes SD/MM cards only and is very lightly built. Having used the Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4, and used the Nikon Silent Wave 17-70mm kit lens, there's no way I would prefer the Sigma over the Nikon if the same money could be put towards changing your choice to a D70S. The D70S takes CF cards, is altogether a more robust and better handling camera (much more on a level with the KM 5D in terms of weight, build quality). The Nikon in-camera JPEGs are possibly a touch sharper than Minolta, but I tend to put this down to different levels of default sharpening. The Minolta colour is better, not worse; vibrant and very film-like. It's the one thing the 5D has over pretty well all Nikons, especially for skin tones. It's going to be missed in the new Sony Alpha, which has much more Nikon-like colour. The Minolta raw file also has marginally more highlight headroom when making exposure corrections for overexposed shots - about 1/3rd of a stop more adjustment before colour clipping hits. In your case, with existing Nikon gear, I'd aim for the D70S and try to get the Silent Wave kit lens, forget the D50 and the Sigma, and ignore the 5D unless you want to change system entirely and have in mind future Sony high resolution or full frame bodies with Zeiss glass etc. David |
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need advice: d50+sigma17-70 or minolta 5d
David Kilpatrick ha scritto:
The D50 takes SD/MM cards only and is very lightly built. Having used the Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4, and used the Nikon Silent Wave 17-70mm kit lens, there's no way I would prefer the Sigma over the Nikon if the same money could be put towards changing your choice to a D70S. The D70S takes CF cards, is altogether a more robust and better handling camera (much more on a level with the KM 5D in terms of weight, build quality). I don't care about sd or cf cards. you mean nikkor 18-70 is better, right? Sigma is a little cheaper, faster at 17mm and gives me 1 extra mm and (limited) macro capabilities. I've read about people preferring sigma 17-70 over nikkor 18-70, for example: http://www.pbase.com/miljenko/technical The Nikon in-camera JPEGs are possibly a touch sharper than Minolta, but I tend to put this down to different levels of default sharpening. The Minolta colour is better, not worse; vibrant and very film-like. It's the one thing the 5D has over pretty well all Nikons, especially for skin tones. It's going to be missed in the new Sony Alpha, which has much more Nikon-like colour. The Minolta raw file also has marginally more highlight headroom when making exposure corrections for overexposed shots - about 1/3rd of a stop more adjustment before colour clipping hits. I heard d50 color (I'm talking about jpegs) is better: http://www.digital-slr-guide.com/min...nikon-d50.html Every review I read about d50 told it has wonderful colors and skin tones. Some 5d reviews instead say colors are a little washed out. In your case, with existing Nikon gear, I'd aim for the D70S and try to get the Silent Wave kit lens, forget the D50 and the Sigma, and ignore the 5D unless you want to change system entirely and have in mind future Sony high resolution or full frame bodies with Zeiss glass etc. I only have one (cheap?) zoom, not an entire set of lenses. It is something I should consider but I wouldn't base my decison on that. I understand d70s is better built and has better ergonomics, but some people still say d50 produces better jpegs than d70s (less artifacts and noise, better color). D70s is also much more expansive (1100 euro with kit lens). David thanks for the advices! |
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need advice: d50+sigma17-70 or minolta 5d
leonardo wrote:
I'm planning to buy a dslr and I've narrowed my choice between: - d50+sigma 17-70 macro (it would cost me 840 euro) - minolta 5d with 18-70 kit lens (for 680 euro) I've read some reviews and realized that d50 is more responsive, has a better af (faster, accurate, illuminator, af motor in lenses), has a better flash (sync 1/500!), a better grip, better battery life and produces better jpegs (contrast, color). I also have a 28-200 f/3.8-5.6 af-d tamron zoom I use with my old nikon f70 that could fit d50 too. On the other side d50 has a smaller viewfinder and lacks some of minolta 5d features (wb tuning, b&w, antishake(!!!), mirror lock, dof button, ecc.). So, 5d is cheaper but I probably would like to buy another zoom (used 70-210?) and minolta 18-70 is a cheap and not so fast lens. Nikon system has a wider lens park and better value on used market. If you find a 70-210 in good condition, get it. I'm particulary concerned about minolta image quality and af performance. Why? It is every bit as good as Nikon. One merely needs to choose ones lenses carefully. If you have an afinity for Sigma, then it is more difficult to choose very good lenses for any camera. I'm not sure where you got the AF performance data for the Minolta as I find with each camera release that it's faster and faster. The Maxxum 9 is dead quick, and the 7D is a little faster again. In Minolta's the AF performance is more dependant on the body than the lens since the body has the AF motor. You might also simply wait a few more weeks and get the A100. The 5d (and A100) body is quite small, so if you have large hands you might find it akward to use. I'm hoping the next Sony body is akin to the 7D or the Maxxum 9. The anti-shake in the A100 is supposedly improved over the 7D/5D. It's pretty good as is, but improvements are always welcome. Further, Sony will have a sensor dust cover that is anti-static coupled to a "dust shaker" to remove the dust. A little patience can go along way. Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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need advice: d50+sigma17-70 or minolta 5d
leonardo wrote:
I'm planning to buy a dslr and I've narrowed my choice between: - d50+sigma 17-70 macro (it would cost me 840 euro) - minolta 5d with 18-70 kit lens (for 680 euro) The 18-70 is made by Tamron, and it might be slightly superior to the 17-70, although the difference is not big. You certainly should not expect any wonders at the wide angle side. If you like the slight telephoto range, you should certainly consider a 50/1.7. I've read some reviews and realized that d50 is more responsive, has a better af (faster, accurate, illuminator, af motor in lenses), has a better flash (sync 1/500!), a better grip, better battery life and produces better jpegs (contrast, color). I also have a 28-200 f/3.8-5.6 af-d tamron zoom I use with my old nikon f70 that could fit d50 too. On the other side d50 has a smaller viewfinder and lacks some of minolta 5d features (wb tuning, b&w, antishake(!!!), mirror lock, dof button, ecc.). I think the 5d is an excellent deal. Especially the anti-shake is something that you just do not get in this price class from any other camera. DOF is also something I appreciate (I had it occasionally before, but usually it was out of my price range). I'm particulary concerned about minolta image quality and af performance. I would not worry about that. The image quality is perfectly fine, and the AF is working very nicely. Since the motor is built into the body, it can get slow with long telephoto lenses that focus via the front element. The 70-210/4 is such a case, and apart from the AF speed it is highly recommended. But for the lenses you named there should be no difference in AF speed. Thomas |
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