Where is the camera

I can't find the camera here, yet it seems to view everything ??

http://www.fullscreen360.com/st-helens.htm

In article , (GregS) wrote:
I can't find the camera here, yet it seems to view everything ??

http://www.fullscreen360.com/st-helens.htm


It does look like somebody walked in a circle.
Then filled in shot ??

On 2010-07-09 11:14:33 -0700, (GregS) said:

In article ,
(GregS) wrote:
I can't find the camera here, yet it seems to view everything ??

http://www.fullscreen360.com/st-helens.htm


It does look like somebody walked in a circle.
Then filled in shot ??

I think your answer might lie here;
http://www.gigapansystems.com/
http://www.gigapan.org/
--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , Mark Sieving wrote:
On Jul 9, 1:09=A0pm, (GregS) wrote:
I can't find the camera here, yet it seems to view everything ??

http://www.fullscreen360.com/st-helens.htm

I'm not sure what the question is. The camera was clearly mounted on
the edge of the crater, and pivoted through 360 degrees. Unless
someone was holding up a mirror, the camera can't photograph itself.

The technique would be to take a series of overlapping frames, and
then stitch them together.

You did not go full up and down. From what i gather many frames were shot to get shots.
Ther is NO view of the picture left untaken. Aparently the camera was moved and
then more fill in shots were stitched together. It as if the camera is floating
in mid air. Nothing below it, nothing above it.

greg

"GregS" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Mark Sieving wrote:
On Jul 9, 1:09=A0pm, (GregS) wrote:

I can't find the camera here, yet it seems to view everything ??

http://www.fullscreen360.com/st-helens.htm

I'm not sure what the question is. The camera was clearly mounted on
the edge of the crater, and pivoted through 360 degrees. Unless
someone was holding up a mirror, the camera can't photograph itself.

The technique would be to take a series of overlapping frames, and
then stitch them together.

You did not go full up and down. From what i gather many frames were shot to get shots.
Ther is NO view of the picture left untaken. Aparently the camera was moved and
then more fill in shots were stitched together. It as if the camera is floating
in mid air. Nothing below it, nothing above it.

greg

There used to be a device using a conical/parabolic mirror that
pointed down at the upturned camera to shoot such pictures,
but these left a "hole" in the ground image which does not appear
in this image. It is a most remarkable image!
--DR

On 7/11/2010 9:27 AM, David Ruether wrote:

You did not go full up and down. From what i gather many frames were shot to get shots.
Ther is NO view of the picture left untaken. Aparently the camera was moved and
then more fill in shots were stitched together. It as if the camera is floating
in mid air. Nothing below it, nothing above it.

greg

There used to be a device using a conical/parabolic mirror that
pointed down at the upturned camera to shoot such pictures,
but these left a "hole" in the ground image which does not appear
in this image. It is a most remarkable image!
--DR


The version I saw does not look straight down. That is easy,
I've done the exact same thing on top of Mt. Evans and Half Dome,
as well as inside many caves.

Ideally you just plant a tripod with skinny legs and a pano head
and take a full circle. In a cave you really need the tripod.

But on a mountain in full daylight, you can fake it if you are
careful and the top is big enough and flat enough that you don't
risk falling off. You just rotate yourself around, moving your feet
so that the center of the lens never moves, and take
the circle. If you fake it, the near points on the ground
won't fit perfectly and you will need to use Photoshop's
clone or "area fake" tools to make the dirt look right.

If the final pano does look straight down, you will need
either adjustable scaffolding or the fake method and LOTS
of work in Photoshop.

Straight up, outdoors, is easy: if the clouds move between shots,
use Photoshop's "liquify" to make them fit.

Doug

On 2010-07-11 07:45:38 -0700, Doug McDonald
said:

On 7/11/2010 9:27 AM, David Ruether wrote:

You did not go full up and down. From what i gather many frames were
shot to get shots.
Ther is NO view of the picture left untaken. Aparently the camera was moved and
then more fill in shots were stitched together. It as if the camera is floating
in mid air. Nothing below it, nothing above it.

greg

There used to be a device using a conical/parabolic mirror that
pointed down at the upturned camera to shoot such pictures,
but these left a "hole" in the ground image which does not appear
in this image. It is a most remarkable image!
--DR


The version I saw does not look straight down. That is easy,
I've done the exact same thing on top of Mt. Evans and Half Dome,
as well as inside many caves.

Ideally you just plant a tripod with skinny legs and a pano head
and take a full circle. In a cave you really need the tripod.

But on a mountain in full daylight, you can fake it if you are
careful and the top is big enough and flat enough that you don't
risk falling off. You just rotate yourself around, moving your feet
so that the center of the lens never moves, and take
the circle. If you fake it, the near points on the ground
won't fit perfectly and you will need to use Photoshop's
clone or "area fake" tools to make the dirt look right.

If the final pano does look straight down, you will need
either adjustable scaffolding or the fake method and LOTS
of work in Photoshop.

Straight up, outdoors, is easy: if the clouds move between shots,
use Photoshop's "liquify" to make them fit.

Doug

I think combining a Gigapan system with some CS5 editing would be the
most seamless way of doing this. However what has been done with this
image seems to be a lot more sophisticated than just doing the
standard, moving in a circle to make the capture.
http://www.gigapansystems.com/


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2010-07-11 08:36:13 -0700, Savageduck said:

On 2010-07-11 07:45:38 -0700, Doug McDonald
said:

On 7/11/2010 9:27 AM, David Ruether wrote:

You did not go full up and down. From what i gather many frames were
shot to get shots.
Ther is NO view of the picture left untaken. Aparently the camera was moved and
then more fill in shots were stitched together. It as if the camera is floating
in mid air. Nothing below it, nothing above it.

greg

There used to be a device using a conical/parabolic mirror that
pointed down at the upturned camera to shoot such pictures,
but these left a "hole" in the ground image which does not appear
in this image. It is a most remarkable image!
--DR


The version I saw does not look straight down. That is easy,
I've done the exact same thing on top of Mt. Evans and Half Dome,
as well as inside many caves.

Ideally you just plant a tripod with skinny legs and a pano head
and take a full circle. In a cave you really need the tripod.

But on a mountain in full daylight, you can fake it if you are
careful and the top is big enough and flat enough that you don't
risk falling off. You just rotate yourself around, moving your feet
so that the center of the lens never moves, and take
the circle. If you fake it, the near points on the ground
won't fit perfectly and you will need to use Photoshop's
clone or "area fake" tools to make the dirt look right.

If the final pano does look straight down, you will need
either adjustable scaffolding or the fake method and LOTS
of work in Photoshop.

Straight up, outdoors, is easy: if the clouds move between shots,
use Photoshop's "liquify" to make them fit.

Doug

I think combining a Gigapan system with some CS5 editing would be the
most seamless way of doing this. However what has been done with this
image seems to be a lot more sophisticated than just doing the
standard, moving in a circle to make the capture.
http://www.gigapansystems.com/

BTW, there is also this as a possible solution;
http://www.panoscan.com/

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:53:14 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2010-07-11 08:36:13 -0700, Savageduck said:

On 2010-07-11 07:45:38 -0700, Doug McDonald
said:

On 7/11/2010 9:27 AM, David Ruether wrote:

You did not go full up and down. From what i gather many frames were
shot to get shots.
Ther is NO view of the picture left untaken. Aparently the camera was moved and
then more fill in shots were stitched together. It as if the camera is floating
in mid air. Nothing below it, nothing above it.

greg

There used to be a device using a conical/parabolic mirror that
pointed down at the upturned camera to shoot such pictures,
but these left a "hole" in the ground image which does not appear
in this image. It is a most remarkable image!
--DR


The version I saw does not look straight down. That is easy,
I've done the exact same thing on top of Mt. Evans and Half Dome,
as well as inside many caves.

Ideally you just plant a tripod with skinny legs and a pano head
and take a full circle. In a cave you really need the tripod.

But on a mountain in full daylight, you can fake it if you are
careful and the top is big enough and flat enough that you don't
risk falling off. You just rotate yourself around, moving your feet
so that the center of the lens never moves, and take
the circle. If you fake it, the near points on the ground
won't fit perfectly and you will need to use Photoshop's
clone or "area fake" tools to make the dirt look right.

If the final pano does look straight down, you will need
either adjustable scaffolding or the fake method and LOTS
of work in Photoshop.

Straight up, outdoors, is easy: if the clouds move between shots,
use Photoshop's "liquify" to make them fit.

Doug

I think combining a Gigapan system with some CS5 editing would be the
most seamless way of doing this. However what has been done with this
image seems to be a lot more sophisticated than just doing the
standard, moving in a circle to make the capture.
http://www.gigapansystems.com/

BTW, there is also this as a possible solution;
http://www.panoscan.com/


Creating a camera-less 360°x360° panorama is without a doubt one of the
easiest things to accomplish. Even rote-beginners know how to do this. Why
it befuddles all of you is beyond me.

No, wait. It makes perfect sense. Because NONE of you have even the most
very basic of panorama creating principles in your backgrounds. Hell, you
can't even take a decent crapshot with your cameras. I shouldn't be
surprised.

Go ahead ... spew some more beginner's advice like an x-spurt.