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How much does cutting-edge AF matter? Watch Nikon
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Molon wrote: 100% correct. Until you lose a wedding shoot, or something else, where ?shoot? becomes what the client does to you. Perhaps I'm lucky, but in over 20 years of use (have been using digital cameras since 1997) I've never had a memory card fail in the camera. there's always a first. |
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On Oct 3, 2020, nospam wrote
(in ) : In article l-september.org, Bill W wrote: But is all that really needed, given that there are huge memory cards (1TB) and the professional will backup the images on the computer anyway? the backup protects against card failure. if you're writing to one card and it fails, you won't have any images to back up on the computer. with a second backup card, you will. it's basically a raid-1. 2 slots is like an extended warranty; most experts in commerce will tell you it's a waste of money, and the math proves it. 100% correct. Until you lose a wedding shoot, or something else, where ³shoot² becomes what the client does to you. or worse, having to deal with an angry bride and her family... I’d shoot myself before they got to me. |
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On 2020-10-03 07:30, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article l- september.org, says... 100% correct. Until you lose a wedding shoot, or something else, where ?shoot? becomes what the client does to you. Perhaps I'm lucky, but in over 20 years of use (have been using digital cameras since 1997) I've never had a memory card fail in the camera. Other things have occasionally failed over the years (e.g. the flash hotshoe contacts got exidised, lens AF of Sony lenses broke a number of times), but memory cards have never failed (not even 20 years ago, when the technology was new). https://youtu.be/qqo-MtNy2Ps Not a stringently done survey, but a pretty big sample pool. Basically: The more you shoot, the more likely a failure. So pros see more fails as they can easily shoot thousands of photos per week. So, while I'm not complaining about this second memory card slot, if it didn't exist, it wouldn't make any difference. That's based on your experience, not fact. Cards do fail. By the way, on a side note, I've never had a camera body fail, but I've experienced problems with Sony and Tamron lenses for the Sony A mount (the AF failed). On the other hand, I've been using m4/3 equipment over the last 4 years and everything is still working fine, so I guess Olympus equipment is quite reliable. Or you don't use it much. Or you baby it. Or ... I've only had 1 piece of gear fail. A Minolta 5400HS flash about 1 month after the warranty ended. They repaired it at no charge other than S&H. (About $10 at the time). -- "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages." -Samuel Clemens |
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On Oct 3, 2020 at 1:01:53 PM PDT, "Bill W" wrote:
On Oct 3, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote (in . com): In ternal- september.org, says... 100% correct. Until you lose a wedding shoot, or something else, where ?shoot? becomes what the client does to you. Perhaps I'm lucky, but in over 20 years of use (have been using digital cameras since 1997) I've never had a memory card fail in the camera. Other things have occasionally failed over the years (e.g. the flash hotshoe contacts got exidised, lens AF of Sony lenses broke a number of times), but memory cards have never failed (not even 20 years ago, when the technology was new). So, while I'm not complaining about this second memory card slot, if it didn't exist, it wouldn't make any difference. By the way, on a side note, I've never had a camera body fail, but I've experienced problems with Sony and Tamron lenses for the Sony A mount (the AF failed). On the other hand, I've been using m4/3 equipment over the last 4 years and everything is still working fine, so I guess Olympus equipment is quite reliable. The need to you, and anyone else, for a second slot, is going to depend on how important the photos are. If you have a client, and that client is depending on you for some very important photos, it would be irresponsible to not have a second slot with a backup card, especially since most pro-level bodies have dual slots now. If cards never failed, you wouldn’t get any hits when you Googled the failure rate. I have my X-T2 & X-T3 which have dual SD slots (I sold my D300S) and I usually shoot RAW+JPEG. So I have slot #1 set to record RAW, and slot #2 set to record JPEG. So far I have not had an SD card failure using Sandisk Extreme Pro, or Sandisk Extreme Plus SDHC cards. Since I am not exactly a "pro" shooting weddings, I am not particularly worried about a mirrored backup to slot#2, and in case of a failure I have either a RAW, or JPEG copy of the images from any shoot. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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says... So pros see more fails as they can easily shoot thousands of photos per week. I also easily shoot rhousands of photos per week when I use the camera, but in the past 23 years I haven't had a memory card failure. Besides, I copy all pictures (at least) once a day to the computer. It's not so that I spend three weeks in the mountains with just one memory card and no way to back it up. -- Alfred Molon Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at https://groups.io/g/myolympus https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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On 2020-10-03 18:59, Alfred Molon wrote:
I also easily shoot rhousands of photos per week when I use the camera, but in the past 23 years I haven't had a memory card failure. Which is statistically irrelevant. Besides, I copy all pictures (at least) once a day to the computer. Which is meaningless if the card dies in the camera during use. -- "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages." -Samuel Clemens |
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On Oct 3, 2020, RichA wrote
(in ): On Saturday, 3 October 2020 at 01:13:38 UTC-4, Bill W wrote: On Oct 2, 2020, RichA wrote (in ): On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 14:06:46 UTC-4, nospam wrote: In , Alfred Molon wrote: What is the second card slot needed for? My camera has two card slots, but I've been using only one for the past years. They can be configured in different ways. You can have double the storage, one for RAW the other for JPEG or, as preferred by professionals, one will be a backup of the other. But is all that really needed, given that there are huge memory cards (1TB) and the professional will backup the images on the computer anyway? the backup protects against card failure. if you're writing to one card and it fails, you won't have any images to back up on the computer. with a second backup card, you will. it's basically a raid-1. 2 slots is like an extended warranty; most experts in commerce will tell you it's a waste of money, and the math proves it. 100% correct. Until you lose a wedding shoot, or something else, where “shoot” becomes what the client does to you. Do you cower in your house during a lightning storm too? Do you feel cheated if you don't win a lottery or if you chose numbers that were "so close?" They are all signs of the general public's inability to understand statistics and weigh risk. Boiled-down, it's gullibility and it is without doubt the most dangerous (to society) trait humans possess. I’m certain that I know much more about probability than you are assuming, and you might know less than you think. The probability of something happening is only one consideration. What is as important is the damage, or cost, of the undesired outcome, along with what it takes to prevent that bad outcome. Since that bad outcome can be very, very bad, and since all it takes is a second card to seriously reduce the risk, you might want to rethink your position. |
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On Oct 3, 2020, Savageduck wrote
(in ): On Oct 3, 2020 at 1:01:53 PM PDT, "Bill wrote: On Oct 3, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote (in . com): In ternal- september.org, says... 100% correct. Until you lose a wedding shoot, or something else, where ?shoot? becomes what the client does to you. Perhaps I'm lucky, but in over 20 years of use (have been using digital cameras since 1997) I've never had a memory card fail in the camera. Other things have occasionally failed over the years (e.g. the flash hotshoe contacts got exidised, lens AF of Sony lenses broke a number of times), but memory cards have never failed (not even 20 years ago, when the technology was new). So, while I'm not complaining about this second memory card slot, if it didn't exist, it wouldn't make any difference. By the way, on a side note, I've never had a camera body fail, but I've experienced problems with Sony and Tamron lenses for the Sony A mount (the AF failed). On the other hand, I've been using m4/3 equipment over the last 4 years and everything is still working fine, so I guess Olympus equipment is quite reliable. The need to you, and anyone else, for a second slot, is going to depend on how important the photos are. If you have a client, and that client is depending on you for some very important photos, it would be irresponsible to not have a second slot with a backup card, especially since most pro-level bodies have dual slots now. If cards never failed, you wouldn’t get any hits when you Googled the failure rate. I have my X-T2 & X-T3 which have dual SD slots (I sold my D300S) and I usually shoot RAW+JPEG. So I have slot #1 set to record RAW, and slot #2 set to record JPEG. So far I have not had an SD card failure using Sandisk Extreme Pro, or Sandisk Extreme Plus SDHC cards. Since I am not exactly a "pro" shooting weddings, I am not particularly worried about a mirrored backup to slot#2, and in case of a failure I have either a RAW, or JPEG copy of the images from any shoot. I don’t use a second card as a backup either. My photos are a hobby, and losing them would mean little to me. I use the second card in sequence. |
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says... On 2020-10-03 18:59, Alfred Molon wrote: I also easily shoot rhousands of photos per week when I use the camera, but in the past 23 years I haven't had a memory card failure. Which is statistically irrelevant. Do you have (real) statistics how often SD cards fail, if possible by camera brand? -- Alfred Molon Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at https://groups.io/g/myolympus https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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