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72 vs 300 dpi
Hi, I am traditionally a 35mm photography just now accepting that I have to commit to my 8 megapixel Canon 20D.
If I take a RAW image, what is the best way process the image and be able to print a excellent quality 11x17? If a RAW image at 8 megapixels printed at 300dpi ( from originally one that is 72 dpi ) is best at 8 x 12 any larger print would make it lose some quality if I kept it at 300 dpi. I can use Photoshop or Apeture, print a JPEG or a TIFF. Any suggestions on the best way to get the most out of my camera?? Any other 20D'ers out there? Thanks! |
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:19:16 +0100, Gretchen's Photography
wrote: Hi, I am traditionally a 35mm photography just now accepting that I have to commit to my 8 megapixel Canon 20D. If I take a RAW image, what is the best way process the image and be able to print a excellent quality 11x17? If a RAW image at 8 megapixels printed at 300dpi ( from originally one that is 72 dpi ) is best at 8 x 12 any larger print would make it lose some quality if I kept it at 300 dpi. I can use Photoshop or Apeture, print a JPEG or a TIFF. Any suggestions on the best way to get the most out of my camera?? Any other 20D'ers out there? Thanks! I would suggest using Photoshop's image-sizing dialog, and possibly not upsampling at all. In other words, set the tool to *not* resample, and then simply enter the desired output (print) dimensions -- and see where the final resolution falls. As long as it's not much below (say) 240 dpi, you're good-to-go. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com |
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Raphael Bustin wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:19:16 +0100, Gretchen's Photography wrote: Hi, I am traditionally a 35mm photography just now accepting that I have to commit to my 8 megapixel Canon 20D. If I take a RAW image, what is the best way process the image and be able to print a excellent quality 11x17? If a RAW image at 8 megapixels printed at 300dpi ( from originally one that is 72 dpi ) is best at 8 x 12 any larger print would make it lose some quality if I kept it at 300 dpi. I can use Photoshop or Apeture, print a JPEG or a TIFF. Any suggestions on the best way to get the most out of my camera?? Any other 20D'ers out there? Thanks! I would suggest using Photoshop's image-sizing dialog, and possibly not upsampling at all. In other words, set the tool to *not* resample, and then simply enter the desired output (print) dimensions -- and see where the final resolution falls. As long as it's not much below (say) 240 dpi, you're good-to-go. In the RAW conversion dialogue in PS you can upsize there, into 8 or 16 bit images. That's where I'd upsample if at all. Just a small point, but one that'll perhaps help keep things clearer for you in the future, all the above should be ppi. DPI comes into play either when you print, or when you scan. Sometimes they're interchangeable, sometimes decidedly not. Good luck! -- John McWilliams |
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Gretchen's Photography wrote: Hi, I am traditionally a 35mm photography just now accepting that I have to commit to my 8 megapixel Canon 20D. If I take a RAW image, what is the best way process the image and be able to print a excellent quality 11x17? If a RAW image at 8 megapixels printed at 300dpi ( from originally one that is 72 dpi ) is best at 8 x 12 any larger print would make it lose some quality if I kept it at 300 dpi. I can use Photoshop or Apeture, print a JPEG or a TIFF. Any suggestions on the best way to get the most out of my camera?? Any other 20D'ers out there? Thanks! The image is just 3504 x 2336 pixels 72 ppi (not dpi) is just a default setting that Photoshop uses for bookkeeping purposes. Since your original 20D's image is 3504 X 2336 pixels, even if you do the barest minimum of cropping to get to an 11 x 17 aspect ratio, your image will have only 206 ppi (3504/17) resolution. It will be less than that if you crop more severely. Any good printer will print at about 240-300 ppi (ignore the 1440 dpi claims....that is an entirely different beast). Now at this point you can send the 206 ppi (or smaller) image to the printer and IT will UPsample the image to whatever the native resolution of the printer is.....OR.....you can Resample (bicubic) the image yourself in Photoshop to 300 ppi and then send it to the printer. Probably there would not be much, if any, difference either way. Also I doubt that there would be much, if any, difference whether you send it in tiff or highest quality jpeg. To be absolutely safe, you could choose tiff. (But I never do.) Bob Williams |
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Gretchen's Photography wrote: Hi, I am traditionally a 35mm photography just now accepting that I have to commit to my 8 megapixel Canon 20D. If I take a RAW image, what is the best way process the image and be able to print a excellent quality 11x17? If a RAW image at 8 megapixels printed at 300dpi ( from originally one that is 72 dpi ) is best at 8 x 12 any larger print would make it lose some quality if I kept it at 300 dpi. I can use Photoshop or Apeture, print a JPEG or a TIFF. Any suggestions on the best way to get the most out of my camera?? Any other 20D'ers out there? Thanks! While some people hold out for 300 ppi, many of us find acceptable results as low as 200 ppi. Of course it depends somewhat on the subject, but many of us just recommend 200 - 300 ppi. Yeah, 300 may be a bit sharper, but most printers do an acceptable job with 200. |
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Gisle Hannemyr wrote:
The key to excellent print quality is to make sure pixel count of the file matches the optimum ppi figure for the printer, and to use suitable software to prepare the file by changing the pixels dimensions. Specialized software for this task is usually better than the Photoshop's bicubic method. G- Have you done comparison tests as to how upsizing at the RAW conversion does vs. upsizing with, say, Qimage? To the OP: what GH says will get you the absolute best, but in many cases most of us wouldn't know the difference unless we were examining two prints side by side and very closely. -- John McWilliams |
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Gisle Hannemyr wrote:
John McWilliams writes: Gisle Hannemyr wrote: The key to excellent print quality is to make sure pixel count of the file matches the optimum ppi figure for the printer, and to use suitable software to prepare the file by changing the pixels dimensions. Specialized software for this task is usually better than the Photoshop's bicubic method. G- Have you done comparison tests as to how upsizing at the RAW conversion does vs. upsizing with, say, Qimage? Not until now. I did, however, a quick test (visual ispection of 100% crops side by side on the screen) just now. It looks as if 2x in SPP is visibly sharper and less pixelated than Qimage, while 1.81x in ACR (PS CS) is about par with Qimage. (Both compared to same ratio interpolation). But the RAW converters I have available (SPP and ACR) only to let me interpolate to a limited number of preset ratios (2x for SPP and 1.81x and 1.35x for ACR), so I can't see how I can use this to optimize the PPI for an arbritary size? Nor do I know, but I've always been a bit suspect of the benefits of upsizing to the exact ratio of the printer's alleged optimum ppi. To the OP: what GH says will get you the absolute best, but in many cases most of us wouldn't know the difference unless we were examining two prints side by side and very closely. That is true. The differences are in most cases not noticable. But sometimes - for instance when trying to render thin hairlines like a telegraph wire, without it breaking up in places, it does matter. Amen. I just didn't want any chance of someone being discouraged thinking he'd have to follow a precise and laborious path to get very good prints. -- john mcwilliams |
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A simple answer is to keep the PPI not less than 150 nor more than 300.
Most people at reasonable viewing distances will not be able to tell the difference in most cases. It is more important to use the ink that the printer mfg recommends for the printer to get the best results and reduce fading. John McWilliams wrote: Gisle Hannemyr wrote: John McWilliams writes: Gisle Hannemyr wrote: The key to excellent print quality is to make sure pixel count of the file matches the optimum ppi figure for the printer, and to use suitable software to prepare the file by changing the pixels dimensions. Specialized software for this task is usually better than the Photoshop's bicubic method. G- Have you done comparison tests as to how upsizing at the RAW conversion does vs. upsizing with, say, Qimage? Not until now. I did, however, a quick test (visual ispection of 100% crops side by side on the screen) just now. It looks as if 2x in SPP is visibly sharper and less pixelated than Qimage, while 1.81x in ACR (PS CS) is about par with Qimage. (Both compared to same ratio interpolation). But the RAW converters I have available (SPP and ACR) only to let me interpolate to a limited number of preset ratios (2x for SPP and 1.81x and 1.35x for ACR), so I can't see how I can use this to optimize the PPI for an arbritary size? Nor do I know, but I've always been a bit suspect of the benefits of upsizing to the exact ratio of the printer's alleged optimum ppi. To the OP: what GH says will get you the absolute best, but in many cases most of us wouldn't know the difference unless we were examining two prints side by side and very closely. That is true. The differences are in most cases not noticable. But sometimes - for instance when trying to render thin hairlines like a telegraph wire, without it breaking up in places, it does matter. Amen. I just didn't want any chance of someone being discouraged thinking he'd have to follow a precise and laborious path to get very good prints. |
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measekite wrote:
A simple answer is to keep the PPI not less than 150 nor more than 300. Most people at reasonable viewing distances will not be able to tell the difference in most cases. It is more important to use the ink that the printer mfg recommends for the printer to get the best results and reduce fading. Yes, that is a simple answer. Kindly bottom post and trim your replies. This is not the comp.periphs.printers NG! -- John McWilliams |
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