Anti-digital backlash continues ...

I guess Bob is right, the anti-digital backlash is upon us. Nikon recently
said they will be ramping up monthly D70 production to 90,000 and expects to
sell one MILLION dSLR's this year (up from 300,000 last year). Sales of all
Nikon digital cameras are projected to hit 7.8 million this year. Canon sells
even more than Nikon.

What were those figures for medium format again, 25,000 for all Japanese
companies combined? Yep, the backlash is here and the switch to MF is upon us
....

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5438031

Bill Hilton writes:

What were those figures for medium format again, 25,000 for all Japanese
companies combined? Yep, the backlash is here and the switch to MF is upon us

Disposable film cameras outnumber all other types of cameras combined.
So what?

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Bill Hilton wrote:

I guess Bob is right, the anti-digital backlash is upon us.

And your pro-digital rants have what to do with medformat cameras? Funny you
don't see anyone here going into the digital groups posting "Medformat
blows digital away" yet the opposite happens on almost a daily basis.
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Stacey

Bill Hilton wrote:

I guess Bob is right, the anti-digital backlash is upon us. Nikon
recently
said they will be ramping up monthly D70 production to 90,000 and expects
to
sell one MILLION dSLR's this year (up from 300,000 last year). Sales of
all
Nikon digital cameras are projected to hit 7.8 million this year. Canon
sells
even more than Nikon.

What were those figures for medium format again, 25,000 for all Japanese
companies combined? Yep, the backlash is here and the switch to MF is
upon us
...

Goes to show that people should be very careful when dealing with figures.
Figures alone say nothing at all. You'll have to know what they mean, and
you'll have to know and consider context very carefully when interpreting
them.
35 mm film cameras have outsold MF cameras like that for decades before. It
never hurt MF a bit.

Yet i'd agree that MF is under threat from 35 mm based digital poducts. See
other thread.

Bill Hilton wrote:
I guess Bob is right, the anti-digital backlash is upon us. Nikon recently
said they will be ramping up monthly D70 production to 90,000 and expects to
sell one MILLION dSLR's this year (up from 300,000 last year). Sales of all
Nikon digital cameras are projected to hit 7.8 million this year. Canon sells
even more than Nikon.

What were those figures for medium format again, 25,000 for all Japanese
companies combined? Yep, the backlash is here and the switch to MF is upon us


This week Fuji claimed Digital prices are collapsing and they'll have to
cut costs. They expect to cut R&D. If people were killing each other to buy
digital then why do companies have to give the stuff away to get it off the
shelf?

Nick

From: Nick Zentena

This week Fuji claimed Digital prices are collapsing and they'll have to
cut costs. They expect to cut R&D. If people were killing each other to buy
digital then why do companies have to give the stuff away to get it off the
shelf?

Depends on whether or not your "product" is valued by customers I guess. What
does Fuji offer for dSLR's, a decent Nikon body copy with basic features and a
relatively high price? When's the last time they updated their offering, two
years ago? It's not surprising they feel they "have to give the stuff away to
get it off the shelf", given the newer models with more features and lower cost
that other companies are bringing out.

If you think "Digital prices are collapsing" look at the Canon products ... the
1Ds (11 Mpixel full-frame dSLR) came out at $7,999 almost 18 months ago and
today the price has "collapsed" all the way to $7,495 at B&H. And it's still
in short supply ... when I bought mine in April I had to wait two weeks to find
one at a reputable dealer.

The 10D was intro'ed at $1,499 and almost two years later it's still going for
$1,380 due to a recent price drop (perhaps because a new, improved model is due
to be announced in Sept).

The Canon 1D Mark II just came out at $4,500 and there's a two MONTH wait list
at most dealers just to buy one, as sports, news and wildlife photographers
seem unanimous that this is a great solution. Prices may be "collapsing" for
the second and third tier players but the companies with the best products
don't seem to be affected.

Nikon's release said they thought they could sell a million dSLR's this year
and the cheapest model they ship goes for $999, same price as when it was
introduced (more than an entry level Mamiya 645, which is selling in relatively
tiny numbers). I'm sure Nikon is happy with these sales figures (up over 300%
from a year earlier).

Bill

If you think "Digital prices are collapsing" look at the Canon products ... the
1Ds (11 Mpixel full-frame dSLR) came out at $7,999 almost 18 months ago and
today the price has "collapsed" all the way to $7,495 at B&H.

Geez. That's more than 10 times the price I paid for my Mamiya C330. With 3
lenses.

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Photographie et appareils anciens - Photography and classic cameras
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Bill Hilton wrote:

[...]
If you think "Digital prices are collapsing" look at the Canon products
.... [...]

The way prices are collapsing is the same as they are and have been doing in
the PC-market. You can't shift yesterday's stuff for yesterday's prices
today.

Wait until Canon replaces their 1DS mid- or even early next year, and you'll
notice how that replacement will sell for no more, probably even a small bit
less than the 1DS today.
(We have seen that happening with High-End film scanners too: the present,
improved, generation Nikon scanners, for instance, cost less than the
previous generation did until very, very recently.)

And then they can't sell any remaining 1DS for anything near what they cost
today. So the pressure is on to get rid of them before a replacement (need
not be a Canon product... this year's Photokina looms ominously over the
market) appears. And that does put a lot of pressure on pricing policy
decisions.

Since new, "better" digital products hit the market almost every week,
especially in the consumer segment, prices are indeed under a heavy strain,
certainly buckling, ready to collapse, if they are not collapsing right now.

Bill Hilton wrote:



If you think "Digital prices are collapsing" look at the Canon products
... the 1Ds (11 Mpixel full-frame dSLR) came out at $7,999 almost 18
months ago and
today the price has "collapsed" all the way to $7,495 at B&H. And it's
still in short supply ... when I bought mine in April I had to wait two
weeks to find one at a reputable dealer.

Now I see why you're continuosly on such a "pro-digital" rant, you've
invested many thousands of dollars and need to feel you didn't waste your
money. Yes my $150 used mamiya M645 kicks your 1Ds's butt! :-)

Please take these unrelated posts to a relevant newsgroup.





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Stacey

Vincent Becker wrote:


If you think "Digital prices are collapsing" look at the Canon products
... the 1Ds (11 Mpixel full-frame dSLR) came out at $7,999 almost 18
months ago and today the price has "collapsed" all the way to $7,495 at
B&H.

Geez. That's more than 10 times the price I paid for my Mamiya C330. With
3 lenses.


And 8 times more than I paid for my mamiya 645 with lenses. I'm not even
going to think how much kiev gear you could buy for 1/10 of that! :-)
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Stacey