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DSLR'S, very disappointed
My background is Olympus PenFT system, Olympus OM2n system, Olympus XA,
CanonA4o, Nikon4500, PanasonicFZ15, so I have no bias. I had never seen DSLR's in the flesh, but when today the OlympusE1 came up for sale at a knockdown price, I thought it time to consider a DSLR. I went to look at the E1, but was appalled by it's bulk. A fallback was the Olympus E3oo (I have OM prime lenses). This was the ugliest camera I have ever seen, though I'm a believer in 'form follows function', this was gross, no wonder the price is tumbling! And the touted 'compact Zuiko lenses designed for DSLR' looked the same size as all the others to me. The Minolta was enormous. D70 still large. This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! When I got home, I looked at my beautiful OM2n, and wondered what the hell has gone wrong. Guess I'll wait for the digital designers to catch up...... DonB |
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My background is Olympus PenFT system, Olympus OM2n system, Olympus XA, CanonA4o, Nikon4500, PanasonicFZ15, so I have no bias. I had never seen DSLR's in the flesh, but when today the OlympusE1 came up for sale at a knockdown price, I thought it time to consider a DSLR. I went to look at the E1, but was appalled by it's bulk. A fallback was the Olympus E3oo (I have OM prime lenses). This was the ugliest camera I have ever seen, though I'm a believer in 'form follows function', this was gross, no wonder the price is tumbling! And the touted 'compact Zuiko lenses designed for DSLR' looked the same size as all the others to me. The Minolta was enormous. D70 still large. This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! When I got home, I looked at my beautiful OM2n, and wondered what the hell has gone wrong. Guess I'll wait for the digital designers to catch up...... DonB You have fun with that. -- It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net |
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wrote in message oups.com... My background is Olympus PenFT system, Olympus OM2n system, Olympus XA, CanonA4o, Nikon4500, PanasonicFZ15, so I have no bias. I had never seen DSLR's in the flesh, but when today the OlympusE1 came up for sale at a knockdown price, I thought it time to consider a DSLR. I went to look at the E1, but was appalled by it's bulk. A fallback was the Olympus E3oo (I have OM prime lenses). This was the ugliest camera I have ever seen, though I'm a believer in 'form follows function', this was gross, no wonder the price is tumbling! And the touted 'compact Zuiko lenses designed for DSLR' looked the same size as all the others to me. The Minolta was enormous. D70 still large. This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! When I got home, I looked at my beautiful OM2n, and wondered what the hell has gone wrong. Guess I'll wait for the digital designers to catch up...... DonB Don, what reports? jpeg is just fine by the way and the Ds shoots 2.8 frames per second just fine. |
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wrote in message oups.com... My background is Olympus PenFT system, Olympus OM2n system, Olympus XA, CanonA4o, Nikon4500, PanasonicFZ15, so I have no bias. I had never seen DSLR's in the flesh, but when today the OlympusE1 came up for sale at a knockdown price, I thought it time to consider a DSLR. I went to look at the E1, but was appalled by it's bulk. A fallback was the Olympus E3oo (I have OM prime lenses). This was the ugliest camera I have ever seen, though I'm a believer in 'form follows function', this was gross, no wonder the price is tumbling! And the touted 'compact Zuiko lenses designed for DSLR' looked the same size as all the others to me. The Minolta was enormous. D70 still large. This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! When I got home, I looked at my beautiful OM2n, and wondered what the hell has gone wrong. Guess I'll wait for the digital designers to catch up...... DonB Don, what reports? jpeg is just fine by the way and the Ds shoots 2.8 frames per second just fine. |
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oups.com... My background is Olympus PenFT system, Olympus OM2n system, Olympus XA, CanonA4o, Nikon4500, PanasonicFZ15, so I have no bias. I had never seen DSLR's in the flesh, but when today the OlympusE1 came up for sale at a knockdown price, I thought it time to consider a DSLR. I went to look at the E1, but was appalled by it's bulk. A fallback was the Olympus E3oo (I have OM prime lenses). This was the ugliest camera I have ever seen, though I'm a believer in 'form follows function', this was gross, no wonder the price is tumbling! And the touted 'compact Zuiko lenses designed for DSLR' looked the same size as all the others to me. The Minolta was enormous. D70 still large. This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! When I got home, I looked at my beautiful OM2n, and wondered what the hell has gone wrong. Guess I'll wait for the digital designers to catch up...... DonB I think you are making a mistake. I have recently switched from a nice, slim, all metal SLR - Nikon FE - to the Nikon D70. The shape and feel of the camera is quite different, but after a few weeks use, I am now very comfortable with it. Don't just complain about DSLRs as being big and bulky. All the modern Autofocus Film SLRs are the same sort of design, and size, and have been for some time. Olympus E range are certainly bigger, bulkier, and dare I say it uglier, than most. I have not handled the new Canon D350 yet, but from expeience with Canon EOS Film cameras, which felt and looked very light, flimsy and plasticy, I can assure you that they were actually quite tough. I know of one, complete with 300mm lens, which was dropped 80 feet from an Access Platform, and still worked. If it had landed on the Metal Deck of the Platform, rather than on the ground, things might have been different, but I don't think any Camera would have survived that. Have another look, and perhaps borrow a Digital SLR from a friend, and see if you still think the same after you have been handling one for a few hours. I will be surprised if you still think the same. Roy G |
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oups.com... My background is Olympus PenFT system, Olympus OM2n system, Olympus XA, CanonA4o, Nikon4500, PanasonicFZ15, so I have no bias. I had never seen DSLR's in the flesh, but when today the OlympusE1 came up for sale at a knockdown price, I thought it time to consider a DSLR. I went to look at the E1, but was appalled by it's bulk. A fallback was the Olympus E3oo (I have OM prime lenses). This was the ugliest camera I have ever seen, though I'm a believer in 'form follows function', this was gross, no wonder the price is tumbling! And the touted 'compact Zuiko lenses designed for DSLR' looked the same size as all the others to me. The Minolta was enormous. D70 still large. This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! When I got home, I looked at my beautiful OM2n, and wondered what the hell has gone wrong. Guess I'll wait for the digital designers to catch up...... DonB I think you are making a mistake. I have recently switched from a nice, slim, all metal SLR - Nikon FE - to the Nikon D70. The shape and feel of the camera is quite different, but after a few weeks use, I am now very comfortable with it. Don't just complain about DSLRs as being big and bulky. All the modern Autofocus Film SLRs are the same sort of design, and size, and have been for some time. Olympus E range are certainly bigger, bulkier, and dare I say it uglier, than most. I have not handled the new Canon D350 yet, but from expeience with Canon EOS Film cameras, which felt and looked very light, flimsy and plasticy, I can assure you that they were actually quite tough. I know of one, complete with 300mm lens, which was dropped 80 feet from an Access Platform, and still worked. If it had landed on the Metal Deck of the Platform, rather than on the ground, things might have been different, but I don't think any Camera would have survived that. Have another look, and perhaps borrow a Digital SLR from a friend, and see if you still think the same after you have been handling one for a few hours. I will be surprised if you still think the same. Roy G |
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This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! I've had a *istD for long enough to run nearly 4000 images through it, only about 200 of which were in RAW. The ones I didn't screw up came out fine in JPEG and TIFF, depending on my needs. Nine seconds? It may, in TIFF, with a slow card, but for normal stuff, a second or less suffices. The buffer holds nearly three shots. I don't know where you're getting your "reports" but I'd strongly suggest you move to DPreview or Steve's for info. I've had more fun and gotten better results with the Pentax than I've had with any camera going back to my original mechanical Canon F1. If you want more than that from any digital SLR, then wait. Five or ten, maybe 15 or 20, years and you'll get one the size of a fifty cent piece that works up 25 MP photos. |
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o...writes:
This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! I've had a *istD for long enough to run nearly 4000 images through it, only about 200 of which were in RAW. The ones I didn't screw up came out fine in JPEG and TIFF, depending on my needs. Nine seconds? It may, in TIFF, with a slow card, but for normal stuff, a second or less suffices. The buffer holds nearly three shots. I don't know where you're getting your "reports" but I'd strongly suggest you move to DPreview or Steve's for info. I've had more fun and gotten better results with the Pentax than I've had with any camera going back to my original mechanical Canon F1. If you want more than that from any digital SLR, then wait. Five or ten, maybe 15 or 20, years and you'll get one the size of a fifty cent piece that works up 25 MP photos. |
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oups.com... My background is Olympus PenFT system, Olympus OM2n system, Olympus XA, CanonA4o, Nikon4500, PanasonicFZ15, so I have no bias. I had never seen DSLR's in the flesh, but when today the OlympusE1 came up for sale at a knockdown price, I thought it time to consider a DSLR. I went to look at the E1, but was appalled by it's bulk. A fallback was the Olympus E3oo (I have OM prime lenses). This was the ugliest camera I have ever seen, though I'm a believer in 'form follows function', this was gross, no wonder the price is tumbling! And the touted 'compact Zuiko lenses designed for DSLR' looked the same size as all the others to me. The Minolta was enormous. D70 still large. This left 2 reasonable cameras, Canon D350, and Pentax *istDS. The Canon looks cheap, but otherwise ok, except new on the market and costing twice the price of the E1!....definitely poor value just now. Pentax was quite appealing, but reports say you must shoot in RAW to get good images, and the files take 9 seconds to write....oh dear! When I got home, I looked at my beautiful OM2n, and wondered what the hell has gone wrong. Guess I'll wait for the digital designers to catch up...... DonB Keep in mind that the 9 seconds to write does not stop you from shooting. The cameras have an internal buffer so that you can keep shooting until the buffer is full. When shooting raw, the buffer obviously can't hold as much. Dpreveiw tests cameras with their defult settings. Adjusting settings, such as sharpness, may get the image looking the way you want. I have the Rebel (300D). I made my own parameter by dropping sharpness a notch down from defualt. bg |
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