Got to used (practice) with Nikon's new 200-500mm lens yesterday

On 18/08/2015 12:16, RichA wrote:
On Monday, 17 August 2015 17:26:38 UTC-4, Me wrote:
On 18/08/2015 01:32, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-08-17 12:16:37 +0000, PeterN said:

On 8/17/2015 12:40 AM, android wrote:
In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/16/2015 7:57 PM, RichA wrote:
Images are embargoed until it's not pre-production. The lens is
big, about
14" long and then 20" extended. The build is mid-range, plastic
bodied
mostly but the balance is good. It feels like the 80-400mm only
longer.
Has a tripod mounting leg on it. Focusing is fast, but I was using
a Nikon
D810A so that probably helped. Subjectively, the images are sharp
at 500mm
f/5.6 and f/8.0, but I'd rather see them on a computer screen.


Thanks for the heads up.

This lens will have tremendous reach on a mFT body. ;-p You know, with
one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/o33txtp

I wonder how it will compare with the Sigma 150-600 Sport. On a FF. Not
that I can't hold my breath though...


Autofocus?

Not with any adaptor for Olympus, Fuji, etc., no AE metering either.


It also has an electronic aperture - "E" lens, and no aperture control
ring like "G" lenses.
For "G" lenses there's a kludge workaround for MFT adapters etc with
adjustable ring on them which tweaks the stop-down lever, but there's no
stop-down lever on "E" lenses. IIRC when not mounted, the aperture on E
lenses is open, so I guess with adapter it might be able to be used
fully wide.
So...
No AF, no AE, no VR, no aperture control. At 500mm (so-called focal
length "equivalent" 1000mm on MFT) then good luck - the results might be
interesting but it doesn't seem very useful.

Nikon 1 series might be interesting, as with adapter some long teles
work with AF and VR functioning. Their lens compatibility chart lists
some "E" long teles working with the 1 series, but there's no mention in
that list of the 200-500. It is however mentioned on the same document
- but an "incompatibility" list - as not working with the J5.

Meh - all a bit pointless IMO. With a bit of luck it'll work without
MFT needed on Nikon bodies, in which case it'd probably work fine mated
to a cheap Nikon 24mp aps-c DSLR body with pixel density (thus reach)
the same as you'd get with MFT anyway.

Manually focusing a 500mm lens requires the Olympus E-M5II or camera with equivalent EVF, otherwise it would be a real pain.

If it's like my Tamron 150-600 in MF ring action, then at longer focal
lengths MF is a lost cause. The focus confirmation arrows/dot work, you
can get a more-or-less close enough idea through an FX OVF, but the ring
itself has only 1/3 turn from close focus to infinity - it's just too
fiddly to make accurate manual adjustments. It was a major effort to
accurately check if AF fine tune would be needed. I was surprised to
find that it doesn't - Tamron got the optics right.
The mechanical action of the Sigma 150-600 Sport focus ring feels much
nicer, the Tamron is smooth enough. I look forward to trying the Nikkor
- I might even buy one if it offers some real advantage.
One thing I've found with the Tamron is that when the AF gets completely
lost on a poor contrast target, it tries a couple of incremental
movements then just gives up. I wish it would tell me that it's given up
and needs a nudge of encouragement of the MF ring to get under way
again. Other long lenses seem to hunt all the way from closest to
infinity and back before giving up - which is worse IMO.

Ken Rockwell has already published on his website a thorough
comprehensive review of the Nikkor 200-500. Near the bottom of the
article he does let slip that he's not actually tried one, but has one
on order.

In article , Me
wrote:

Ken Rockwell has already published on his website a thorough
comprehensive review of the Nikkor 200-500. Near the bottom of the
article he does let slip that he's not actually tried one, but has one
on order.

why do people even read his ****?

On 18/08/2015 17:25, nospam wrote:
In article , Me
wrote:

Ken Rockwell has already published on his website a thorough
comprehensive review of the Nikkor 200-500. Near the bottom of the
article he does let slip that he's not actually tried one, but has one
on order.

why do people even read his ****?

So that they can "support his growing family" through donation or
click-throughs.
It's worked nicely. Could look it up on the wayback machine, but I'm
pretty sure that Ken used to drive an ancient beaten-up Merc and lived
in modest surroundings when he started his website.
Can't say he isn't smart - he knew human nature well enough to know how
to keep above the radar by making just the right controversial
statements at the right time, but covered his arse thoroughly.
We're on usenet here - where trolling is an artform - nothing to gain on
usenet from skilled superb trolling except smug satisfaction.
On the WWW, you can make a very comfortable living, apparently, which
makes his pleas for donations all the more ludicrous.
Yup - I'm jealous. Nice work if you can get it. Won't be many
photographers earning what he does.

PeterN Wrote in message:
On 8/17/2015 12:40 AM, android wrote:
In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/16/2015 7:57 PM, RichA wrote:
Images are embargoed until it's not pre-production. The lens is big, about
14" long and then 20" extended. The build is mid-range, plastic bodied
mostly but the balance is good. It feels like the 80-400mm only longer.
Has a tripod mounting leg on it. Focusing is fast, but I was using a Nikon
D810A so that probably helped. Subjectively, the images are sharp at 500mm
f/5.6 and f/8.0, but I'd rather see them on a computer screen.


Thanks for the heads up.

This lens will have tremendous reach on a mFT body. ;-p You know, with
one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/o33txtp

I wonder how it will compare with the Sigma 150-600 Sport. On a FF. Not
that I can't hold my breath though...


Autofocus?

Ain't there a twisty ring on those thingys? Whatever,I'm pretty
sure that Sigma supports autofocus on Nikon...
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Savageduck Wrote in message:
On 2015-08-17 12:16:37 +0000, PeterN said:

On 8/17/2015 12:40 AM, android wrote:
In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/16/2015 7:57 PM, RichA wrote:
Images are embargoed until it's not pre-production. The lens is big, about
14" long and then 20" extended. The build is mid-range, plastic bodied
mostly but the balance is good. It feels like the 80-400mm only longer.
Has a tripod mounting leg on it. Focusing is fast, but I was using a Nikon
D810A so that probably helped. Subjectively, the images are sharp at 500mm
f/5.6 and f/8.0, but I'd rather see them on a computer screen.


Thanks for the heads up.

This lens will have tremendous reach on a mFT body. ;-p You know, with
one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/o33txtp

I wonder how it will compare with the Sigma 150-600 Sport. On a FF. Not
that I can't hold my breath though...


Autofocus?

Not with any adaptor for Olympus, Fuji, etc., no AE metering either.

The Sigma has AF on FF...
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PeterN Wrote in message:
On 8/17/2015 8:38 AM, android wrote:
PeterN Wrote in message:
On 8/17/2015 12:40 AM, android wrote:
In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/16/2015 7:57 PM, RichA wrote:
Images are embargoed until it's not pre-production. The lens is big, about
14" long and then 20" extended. The build is mid-range, plastic bodied
mostly but the balance is good. It feels like the 80-400mm only longer.
Has a tripod mounting leg on it. Focusing is fast, but I was using a Nikon
D810A so that probably helped. Subjectively, the images are sharp at 500mm
f/5.6 and f/8.0, but I'd rather see them on a computer screen.


Thanks for the heads up.

This lens will have tremendous reach on a mFT body. ;-p You know, with
one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/o33txtp

I wonder how it will compare with the Sigma 150-600 Sport. On a FF. Not
that I can't hold my breath though...


Autofocus?

Ain't there a twisty ring on those thingys? Whatever,
I'm pretty
sure that Sigma supports autofocus on Nikon...

Yes it does. I'm talking about the adopter ring.

Oh, that's a $10 piece of equipment... Sorry!

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Savageduck Wrote in message:
On 2015-08-17 13:39:16 +0000, android said:

Savageduck Wrote in message:
On 2015-08-17 12:16:37 +0000, PeterN said:

On 8/17/2015 12:40 AM, android wrote:
In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/16/2015 7:57 PM, RichA wrote:
Images are embargoed until it's not pre-production. The lens is big, about
14" long and then 20" extended. The build is mid-range, plastic bodied
mostly but the balance is good. It feels like the 80-400mm only longer.
Has a tripod mounting leg on it. Focusing is fast, but I was using a Nikon
D810A so that probably helped. Subjectively, the images are sharp at 500mm
f/5.6 and f/8.0, but I'd rather see them on a computer screen.


Thanks for the heads up.

This lens will have tremendous reach on a mFT body. ;-p You know, with
one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/o33txtp

I wonder how it will compare with the Sigma 150-600 Sport. On a FF. Not
that I can't hold my breath though...


Autofocus?

Not with any adaptor for Olympus, Fuji, etc., no AE metering either.

The Sigma has AF on FF...

However, your initial thought was the potential additional reach of the
new Nikkor 200-500mm if used on a M4/3 with an adaptor, and not any
other FF such as a Sigma FF. Currently none of the Nikkor-(any body)
adaptors available provide AF or AE.

So?

Then you wondered how it would compare with the Sigma 150-600mm S on a FF.

Yes!
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PeterN Wrote in message:
On 8/17/2015 9:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-08-17 12:16:37 +0000, PeterN said:

On 8/17/2015 12:40 AM, android wrote:
In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/16/2015 7:57 PM, RichA wrote:
Images are embargoed until it's not pre-production. The lens is
big, about
14" long and then 20" extended. The build is mid-range, plastic
bodied
mostly but the balance is good. It feels like the 80-400mm only
longer.
Has a tripod mounting leg on it. Focusing is fast, but I was using
a Nikon
D810A so that probably helped. Subjectively, the images are sharp
at 500mm
f/5.6 and f/8.0, but I'd rather see them on a computer screen.


Thanks for the heads up.

This lens will have tremendous reach on a mFT body. ;-p You know, with
one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/o33txtp

I wonder how it will compare with the Sigma 150-600 Sport. On a FF. Not
that I can't hold my breath though...


Autofocus?

Not with any adaptor for Olympus, Fuji, etc., no AE metering either.



It was a rhetorical question.

http://i.word.com/
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PeterN Wrote in message:
On 8/17/2015 10:32 AM, android wrote:
PeterN Wrote in message:
On 8/17/2015 9:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-08-17 12:16:37 +0000, PeterN said:

On 8/17/2015 12:40 AM, android wrote:
In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/16/2015 7:57 PM, RichA wrote:
Images are embargoed until it's not pre-production. The lens is
big, about
14" long and then 20" extended. The build is mid-range, plastic
bodied
mostly but the balance is good. It feels like the 80-400mm only
longer.
Has a tripod mounting leg on it. Focusing is fast, but I was using
a Nikon
D810A so that probably helped. Subjectively, the images are sharp
at 500mm
f/5.6 and f/8.0, but I'd rather see them on a computer screen.


Thanks for the heads up.

This lens will have tremendous reach on a mFT body. ;-p You know, with
one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/o33txtp

I wonder how it will compare with the Sigma 150-600 Sport. On a FF. Not
that I can't hold my breath though...


Autofocus?

Not with any adaptor for Olympus, Fuji, etc., no AE metering either.



It was a rhetorical question.

http://i.word.com/


And? Which word are you claiming that I used incorrectly?
(hint: another rhetorical question.)

It was a public service announcement, sort of. ;-p
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