Not sharpened

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:51:26 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/13/2015 10:49 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 10:06:16 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/12/2015 11:10 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:14:25 -0400, Ron C wrote:

On 8/12/2015 5:58 PM, PeterN wrote:
Tony Cooper and I'm sure a lot of others would never do this.
When I want to take a break from playing poker, I walk around taking
pictures.
AFAIK most casinos do not allow photography. Mohegan Sun does, within
limits. You may not go on the casino floor, but must stand behind a low
rail. The restriction doesn't seem to unduly hinder photo ops.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20casino.jpg


I don't have a problem with the rendition being abstract and
artistic. I tend to like that kind of stuff. Heck, my artistic formative
years were the psychedelic late 60's -- 70's.
Anyway, the problem I have is that no matter where I looked my
eye tended to wander off the picture.

One thought I had for adding a focus point was to have a saturation
gradient. Here's a (somewhat heavy handed) quick test of the concept.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b72e5o6mgu...no-01.jpg?dl=0

Ah, but it's not my photo... so, as always: YMMV

Peter's version is much bolder than yours, and the bolder version
seems to work better in my view. You've toned it down and the result
is too muddy looking for me.

I'm not big on re-working other people's work, but I'll do it here. I
would crop the left side off thusly:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/joc80fxmho...inoTC.jpg?dl=0


I think Ron C had a valid point about lacking a center of interest. One
of the reasons I posted was that I couldn't put my finger on what the
image lacked. My problem with your version is that my eye did indeed
bounce between the two tables and the red pit boos stand in the middle.
So as I previously responded I cropped the image to one table.

BTW there is a lot of street potential in casinos. As you know that is
not what I look for. Do the Indian casinos near you allow photography?

We crop a photo to present the scene as we think it should be
presented. I was willing to crop wider than Ron C because I think the
elements I included are appropriate for the scene. It's a little
unbalanced due to the mass on the right, but that's acceptable to me.

The more severe crop, in my opinion, makes the scene too crowded and
busy.

The nearest Indian casino to me is in Tampa...about two hours away.
I've never been there.

I have photographed inside the dog track, but I don't know if it was
allowed or not. No one challenged me.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Dog-T...1-30-09-X2.jpg

This is not inside, but it is of a gambler:

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Dog-T...dog-012-X2.jpg

You image certainly shows the man in his environment. I still have that
old fashioned preference for monochrome, for most street.

We have previously differed on cropping. I usually prefer a much tighter
crop than you. But, that's OK. Just a matter of taste.

What is your opinion of the cropping of this shot taken at a food
market https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...3/LR--5853.jpg


Warning: Mini Rant:
IIRC I have previously stated that I would never go to any dog track.
The treatment of both fast and older dogs is abominable. Dog fighting is
illegal, yet fighting dogs are treated better than racing dogs. For
ethical reasons. I will do nothing that might, in any way, encourage dog
racing.

Back to photography. I think we see a lot of interesting characters in
any gambling environment.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 8/13/2015 4:08 PM, PAS wrote:

snip


I think this woman is thankful that she photographs "bums"

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/...eless-paradise


Too many of the people we call "bums" are ordinary people who, by reason
of mental illness, are unable to cope with life.
Despite what some say, living on the street is a really tough life, and
not one that most of the street people volunteered for.

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PeterN

On 8/13/2015 5:02 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:51:26 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/13/2015 10:49 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 10:06:16 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/12/2015 11:10 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:14:25 -0400, Ron C wrote:

On 8/12/2015 5:58 PM, PeterN wrote:
Tony Cooper and I'm sure a lot of others would never do this.
When I want to take a break from playing poker, I walk around taking
pictures.
AFAIK most casinos do not allow photography. Mohegan Sun does, within
limits. You may not go on the casino floor, but must stand behind a low
rail. The restriction doesn't seem to unduly hinder photo ops.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20casino.jpg


I don't have a problem with the rendition being abstract and
artistic. I tend to like that kind of stuff. Heck, my artistic formative
years were the psychedelic late 60's -- 70's.
Anyway, the problem I have is that no matter where I looked my
eye tended to wander off the picture.

One thought I had for adding a focus point was to have a saturation
gradient. Here's a (somewhat heavy handed) quick test of the concept.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b72e5o6mgu...no-01.jpg?dl=0

Ah, but it's not my photo... so, as always: YMMV

Peter's version is much bolder than yours, and the bolder version
seems to work better in my view. You've toned it down and the result
is too muddy looking for me.

I'm not big on re-working other people's work, but I'll do it here. I
would crop the left side off thusly:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/joc80fxmho...inoTC.jpg?dl=0


I think Ron C had a valid point about lacking a center of interest. One
of the reasons I posted was that I couldn't put my finger on what the
image lacked. My problem with your version is that my eye did indeed
bounce between the two tables and the red pit boos stand in the middle.
So as I previously responded I cropped the image to one table.

BTW there is a lot of street potential in casinos. As you know that is
not what I look for. Do the Indian casinos near you allow photography?

We crop a photo to present the scene as we think it should be
presented. I was willing to crop wider than Ron C because I think the
elements I included are appropriate for the scene. It's a little
unbalanced due to the mass on the right, but that's acceptable to me.

The more severe crop, in my opinion, makes the scene too crowded and
busy.

The nearest Indian casino to me is in Tampa...about two hours away.
I've never been there.

I have photographed inside the dog track, but I don't know if it was
allowed or not. No one challenged me.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Dog-T...1-30-09-X2.jpg

This is not inside, but it is of a gambler:

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Dog-T...dog-012-X2.jpg

You image certainly shows the man in his environment. I still have that
old fashioned preference for monochrome, for most street.

We have previously differed on cropping. I usually prefer a much tighter
crop than you. But, that's OK. Just a matter of taste.

What is your opinion of the cropping of this shot taken at a food
market https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...3/LR--5853.jpg

Just a quickie. He looks as if he just ate something that was hotter
than expected. With that in mind, the center of interest is his face. I
did a small crop of his hat, to move his head up a tad, and a mild
darkening to accentuate his face.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpgv




Warning: Mini Rant:
IIRC I have previously stated that I would never go to any dog track.
The treatment of both fast and older dogs is abominable. Dog fighting is
illegal, yet fighting dogs are treated better than racing dogs. For
ethical reasons. I will do nothing that might, in any way, encourage dog
racing.

Back to photography. I think we see a lot of interesting characters in
any gambling environment.


--
PeterN

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 17:45:21 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

What is your opinion of the cropping of this shot taken at a food
market https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...3/LR--5853.jpg

Just a quickie. He looks as if he just ate something that was hotter
than expected. With that in mind, the center of interest is his face. I
did a small crop of his hat, to move his head up a tad, and a mild
darkening to accentuate his face.

Yes, he was looking very doubtful

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpgv

I get your point inspite of the following message from Dropbox:

Error 404 - We can't find the page your'e looking for.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:16:20 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 17:45:21 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

What is your opinion of the cropping of this shot taken at a food
market https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...3/LR--5853.jpg

Just a quickie. He looks as if he just ate something that was hotter
than expected. With that in mind, the center of interest is his face. I
did a small crop of his hat, to move his head up a tad, and a mild
darkening to accentuate his face.

Yes, he was looking very doubtful

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpgv

I get your point inspite of the following message from Dropbox:

Error 404 - We can't find the page your'e looking for.

Remove the 'v' after jpg in the link.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:57:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:16:20 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 17:45:21 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

What is your opinion of the cropping of this shot taken at a food
market https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...3/LR--5853.jpg

Just a quickie. He looks as if he just ate something that was hotter
than expected. With that in mind, the center of interest is his face. I
did a small crop of his hat, to move his head up a tad, and a mild
darkening to accentuate his face.

Yes, he was looking very doubtful

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpgv

I get your point inspite of the following message from Dropbox:

Error 404 - We can't find the page your'e looking for.

Delte the v and it loads.

Thanks Tony and also BillW.

I get the point about the hat but I can see no change in the his face.
That might be due to my present squiffy screen calibration.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 8/13/2015 7:43 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:57:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:16:20 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 17:45:21 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

What is your opinion of the cropping of this shot taken at a food
market https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...3/LR--5853.jpg

Just a quickie. He looks as if he just ate something that was hotter
than expected. With that in mind, the center of interest is his face. I
did a small crop of his hat, to move his head up a tad, and a mild
darkening to accentuate his face.

Yes, he was looking very doubtful

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpgv

I get your point inspite of the following message from Dropbox:

Error 404 - We can't find the page your'e looking for.

Delte the v and it loads.

Thanks Tony and also BillW.


Sorry about that.

I get the point about the hat but I can see no change in the his face.
That might be due to my present squiffy screen calibration.


I didn't touch his face, just a bit of darkening the background.



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PeterN

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:54:50 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/13/2015 7:43 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:57:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:16:20 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 17:45:21 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

What is your opinion of the cropping of this shot taken at a food
market https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...3/LR--5853.jpg

Just a quickie. He looks as if he just ate something that was hotter
than expected. With that in mind, the center of interest is his face. I
did a small crop of his hat, to move his head up a tad, and a mild
darkening to accentuate his face.

Yes, he was looking very doubtful

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpg

I get your point inspite of the following message from Dropbox:

Error 404 - We can't find the page your'e looking for.

Delte the v and it loads.

Thanks Tony and also BillW.


Sorry about that.

I get the point about the hat but I can see no change in the his face.
That might be due to my present squiffy screen calibration.


I didn't touch his face, just a bit of darkening the background.

Aaaah! Now I see it.

Duh.

Subtle but it makes a difference.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 8/13/2015 10:16 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 8/13/2015 9:41 AM, newshound wrote:
On 13/08/2015 12:23, dadiOH wrote:
PeterN wrote:
Tony Cooper and I'm sure a lot of others would never do this.
When I want to take a break from playing poker, I walk around taking
pictures.
AFAIK most casinos do not allow photography. Mohegan Sun does, within
limits. You may not go on the casino floor, but must stand behind a
low rail. The restriction doesn't seem to unduly hinder photo ops.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20casino.jpg

Homage to Vincent?


My thoughts too. I liked it.

Thank you.

Ah, while folks are posting artistic renderings,
here's an artistic shot of my grand niece, her mom
and their dog.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/wpszx5srmn...Ba%5D.jpg?dl=0


==
Later...
Ron C
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On 8/14/2015 10:14 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:05:48 -0400, Ron C wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wpszx5srmn...Ba%5D.jpg?dl=0


That's a Great Dane, innit? My son's dog is a Catahoula, and the
coloring is very similar. The head's a different shape, though.

Yep, Louie is a Great Dane.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8cy0zfxw0...%2003.jpg?dl=0

==
Later...
Ron C
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