Want point and shot with wide angle capability

David J Taylor wrote:
Toby wrote:
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I have a Fuji F31fd which gives excellent results at ISO 800 and
even holds up well at 1600. Of course it is only 6 Mpx, but I can
easily live with that. What I cry for is RAW and more manual
control. But I would still take that any day over a Panasonic that
limited me to shooting in bright light to get an acceptable image.

Either good light or longer exposure, to keep at ISO 100. For me,
the 28-280mm range and the image stabilisation are important
factors.
Of course I still use my DSLR whenever possible, but it is just not
possible to slip it in my pocket and keep it with me at all times.

Toby

Exactly, you choose the most suitable tool available to you to do
the job in hand, and sometimes that's a pocket camera and not a
DSLR. No single camera is perfect.


You might want to look at Flickr.com: searching for LX1 will yield
22,000+ images of and by the Lumix LX1. I believe there is a later
model, maybe two, but I have no experience with them. There may be
other-brand equivalents by now, but I don't need to investigate them.
I bought a different P&S every six months for a few years, until I
found this one (Nearly three years ago! How time flies!).

Aside from the lack of an optical viewfinder and some noise, it meets
a lot of advanced needs: excellent optics, raw capability, adjustable
everything, 8, 7, 6 MP, with instant switchable selection among 16:9,
4:3, 3:2 aspects, memory-limited movie mode, solid construction,
(large) pocketable, useful but not extreme zoom, among others.

See a Large image he
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/...79bf85db_b.jpg

Same image, original size (1.09 MB):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/...e0281591_o.jpg

EXIF excerpts:
Make - Panasonic
Model - DMC-LX1
....
ExposureTime - 1/80 seconds
FNumber - 4.00
ExposureProgram - Shutter priority
ISOSpeedRatings - 80
....
ExposureBiasValue - -0.33
MaxApertureValue - F 2.83
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
LightSource - Flash
Flash - Flash fired, auto mode
FocalLength - 14.40 mm
FlashPixVersion - 0100
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 2880
ExifImageHeight - 2160
....
FocalLengthIn35mmFilm - 78 mm
SceneCaptureType - Standard
GainControl - None
Contrast - Normal
Saturation - Low
Sharpness - Soft


LX1 Specs:
http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-came...tag=mncol;psum

Boring but demonstrative on-car camera videos:
single GT takeoff road test
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NxfEFETgvIA
single GT takeoff dyno test
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-AazkGcJ43s
FRPP dual exhaust part 0ne (after the drags)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY9uRaR1JlE
FRPP exhaust part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XhoYT0JVTg


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Frank ess

Frank wrote on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:44:44 -0700:


David J Taylor wrote:
Toby wrote:
[]
I have a Fuji F31fd which gives excellent results at ISO 800
and even holds up well at 1600. Of course it is only 6 Mpx, but I
can easily live with that. What I cry for is RAW and
more manual control. But I would still take that any day
over a Panasonic that limited me to shooting in bright light
to get an acceptable image.

Either good light or longer exposure, to keep at ISO 100. For me, the
28-280mm range and the image stabilisation are
important factors.
Of course I still use my DSLR whenever possible, but it is
just not possible to slip it in my pocket and keep it with
me at all times.

Toby

Exactly, you choose the most suitable tool available to you
to do the job in hand, and sometimes that's a pocket camera
and not a DSLR. No single camera is perfect.

You might want to look at Flickr.com: searching for LX1 will yield
22,000+ images of and by the Lumix LX1. I believe there is a
later model, maybe two, but I have no experience with them.
There may be other-brand equivalents by now, but I don't need to
investigate them. I bought a different P&S every six months
for a few years, until I found this one (Nearly three years
ago! How time flies!).

Aside from the lack of an optical viewfinder and some noise,
it meets a lot of advanced needs: excellent optics, raw capability,
adjustable everything, 8, 7, 6 MP, with instant switchable
selection among 16:9, 4:3, 3:2 aspects, memory-limited movie mode,
solid construction, (large) pocketable, useful but not extreme
zoom, among others.

If you use it outdoors on a bright sunny day, is the LCD usable?
Certainly that on my Nikon is not and I appreciate the optical finder.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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Frank wrote on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:44:44 -0700:

....


You might want to look at Flickr.com: searching for LX1 will yield
22,000+ images of and by the Lumix LX1. I believe there is a
later model, maybe two, but I have no experience with them.
There may be other-brand equivalents by now, but I don't need to
investigate them. I bought a different P&S every six months
for a few years, until I found this one (Nearly three years
ago! How time flies!).

Aside from the lack of an optical viewfinder and some noise,
it meets a lot of advanced needs: excellent optics, raw capability,
adjustable everything, 8, 7, 6 MP, with instant switchable
selection among 16:9, 4:3, 3:2 aspects, memory-limited movie mode,
solid construction, (large) pocketable, useful but not extreme
zoom, among others.

If you use it outdoors on a bright sunny day, is the LCD usable?
Certainly that on my Nikon is not and I appreciate the optical
finder.


Bright days' images are barely visible on the LCD. I suggested once
that our contemporary world will look different to people in the
future, if what they hae to judge by is the photographic record:
plenty of cut-off peripheral presences like you won't find pre-LCD.

I do carry a 40-inch square of black cloth, in case careful framing in
bright light becomes critical. Otherwise, 28mm allows for considerable
crop room, thank goodness.

--
Frank ess

Richard wrote:
Forget the other rubbish, this one might be ok and it has 24mm equivalent.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...nic_dmclx3.asp

That does look good.
24-60mm f/2-2.8
10MP
ISO 3200 (grain of salt)
lens stabilized
3:2 crop mode
$500 black or silver
-looks like the flash has to be popped up intentionally
-I don't have a clear sense of the size
compared to Nikon D40: 265 g (9.3 oz) 522 g (18.4 oz)

"Marty Fremen" wrote in message
...
"Bob Donahue" wrote:

The zoom on my Olympus C-4000 just won't go wide enough for some of my
shots. Are there any good point and shoot digitals out there that can
zoom to "28mm equivalent". (I loved using a 28mm lens on my 35mm
camera.) BTW, I can live without telephoto zoom.

The Ricoh Caplio "R" series cameras all have a 28-200 equiv. zoom. If
you want wider still then the GX100 and GX200 have 24-72mm equiv. zoom
(plus optional 19mm adaptor) but are a bit bigger and have more advanced
features (full manual control, optional electronic viewfinder etc etc).

As someone else said the Panasonic Lumix series also have 28mm wide end,
IME the noise reduction smearing reduces picture quality though.




--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

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Paul wrote on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:30:23 -0700:

Richard wrote:
Forget the other rubbish, this one might be ok and it has
24mm equivalent.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...nic_dmclx3.asp

That does look good.
24-60mm f/2-2.8
10MP
ISO 3200 (grain of salt)
lens stabilized
3:2 crop mode
$500 black or silver
-looks like the flash has to be popped up intentionally
-I don't have a clear sense of the size
compared to Nikon D40: 265 g (9.3 oz) 522 g (18.4 oz)

"Marty Fremen" wrote in message
...
"Bob Donahue" wrote:

The zoom on my Olympus C-4000 just won't go wide enough for
some of my shots. Are there any good point and shoot
digitals out there that can zoom to "28mm equivalent". (I
loved using a 28mm lens on my 35mm camera.) BTW, I can live
without telephoto zoom.

The Ricoh Caplio "R" series cameras all have a 28-200 equiv.
zoom. If you want wider still then the GX100 and GX200 have 24-72mm
equiv. zoom (plus optional 19mm adaptor) but are a
bit bigger and have more advanced features (full manual
control, optional electronic viewfinder etc etc).

As someone else said the Panasonic Lumix series also have
28mm wide end, IME the noise reduction smearing reduces
picture quality though.


I've set before that I liked the Canon G9 in many ways tho' its widest
zoom is an equivalent 35mm. However, there is a wide angle attachment
available even if I've never tired it.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

James wrote to Paul Furman on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:44:14 GMT:

Richard wrote:
Forget the other rubbish, this one might be ok and it has
24mm equivalent.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...nic_dmclx3.asp

That does look good.
24-60mm f/2-2.8
10MP
ISO 3200 (grain of salt)
lens stabilized
3:2 crop mode
$500 black or silver
-looks like the flash has to be popped up intentionally
-I don't have a clear sense of the size
compared to Nikon D40: 265 g (9.3 oz) 522 g (18.4 oz)

"Marty Fremen" wrote in message
...
"Bob Donahue" wrote:

The zoom on my Olympus C-4000 just won't go wide enough
for some of my shots. Are there any good point and
shoot digitals out there that can zoom to "28mm
equivalent". (I loved using a 28mm lens on my 35mm
camera.) BTW, I can live without telephoto zoom.

The Ricoh Caplio "R" series cameras all have a 28-200
equiv. zoom. If you want wider still then the GX100 and
GX200 have 24-72mm equiv. zoom (plus optional 19mm adaptor)
but are a bit bigger and have more advanced features (full manual
control, optional electronic viewfinder etc etc).

As someone else said the Panasonic Lumix series also have
28mm wide end, IME the noise reduction smearing reduces
picture quality though.

I've set before that I liked the Canon G9 in many ways tho'
its widest zoom is an equivalent 35mm. However, there is a
wide angle attachment available even if I've never tired it.

How on earth did I manage the two spelling mistakes, "set" and "tired"?
:-) Perhaps , the latter applies to me!

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not